Pale Moon 28.2.0 web browser is out
The Pale Moon team released version 28.2.0 of the web browser on November 13, 2018 to the public. The new version is a major release that includes fixes and improvements.
Pale Moon 28.0 was released in August 2018. It was a special release because it moved the web browser to the Unified XUL Platform which can best be described as an update version of classic Firefox code.
Several projects migrated to the platform since its initial release. The developers released Pale Moon 28.1.0 a month later to address bugs and fix security issues.
Pale Moon is a browser that stays true to the roots of classic Firefox; it supports the classic XUL-based extensions system which Mozilla dropped with the release of Firefox 57. The browser is not a 1:1 copy of Firefox, however, as the developers have modified it heavily in some regards.
Pale Moon 28.2.0
Pale Moon 28.2.0 is available for download at the project website. Admins and users who run it already can run a manual check for updates under Menu > Help > About Pale Moon. The browser queries the update server and should pick up the new version in the process.
The new version improves browser security by implementing security fixes for several vulnerabilities and bugs. Mozilla patched security issues in Firefox 63.0 which it released in October 2018.
The release notes list several compatibility improvements that found their way into the new Pale Moon version. The developers increased the reported version of Firefox in Firefox Compatibility Mode to reduce website prompts that state that the browser is too old to use certain functionality on sites.
Other improvements in this regard are experimental support for AV1 videos and improved media handling. AV1 media support is limited to AV1 in WebM videos currently, and it is disabled by default.
Pale Moon users need to set the value of the preference media.av1.enabled to true on about:config to enable support. Support is limited as MP4 and MSE Av1 streams are not supported yet.
The developers fixed major issues in the new version of the browser including a major performance regression with web workers or a crash on local networks.
Support for Asynchronous Panning and Zooming was added to the desktop version of Pale Moon, and the default scrolling behavior for menus and pop-ups was switched to allow scrolling in these contexts.
Pale Moon users may want to upgrade as soon as possible to apply the security updates to the web browser.
Now You: What is your take on Pale Moon?
This is absolutely fantastic !
The Firefox ecology still appears alive and well with Palemoon among others providing choice to the end-user.
I have seen valid concerns raised here and on other forums, but its worth bearing in mind that there is still choice.
There is Cyberfox, Palemoon and Waterfox in addition to Firefox.
Happy happy days.
AFAIK Cyberfox is dead, Waterfox offers only 64-bit version and SeaMonkey is dead too, unless the rumors are true that the devs working to bring a Quantum/WebExtension based browser sometime in the future.
Ouch. That hurt…. :-)
I thought Cyberfox was alive and well.
At 52.9.1 as their latest you could be right !
I may have to retract my statement…
Pale Moon isn’t that compatible with the web, it doesn’t support HTML5 clipboards which imgur.com uses to upload screenshots using the Print Screen button, doesn’t support the new YouTube layout (not that the layout is amazing, but still, it should support it) and who knows what else it doesn’t support.
They are beating themselves in the chest that Pale Moon and Basilisk are using one process compared to other browsers that have multiple processes running as if that’s a good thing, but it isn’t.
I think they’re trying to promote outdated software that isn’t really that useful. If someone has XP or something, they are better off using whatever last versions of Firefox and Chrome work on those platforms rather than using Pale Moon.
Please file an issue to the UXP repo whenever you find a web compatibility problem.
Both single and multi process models have their own advantages and disadvantages. MCP has chosen the former, and MozCo the latter. That doesn’t mean one is better than other, they’re just different.
XP support is gone from the official builds since 27.0.
I used to love Pale Moon,
for its support of older Firefox addons.
And it was fast, too.
But after their major upgrade to PM version 28,
I went back to PM version 27.9.4.
Many problems in v. 28
with important addons which I use very day.
So, I’ll have to decide sooner or later
for a new browser…
I hear Waterfox is very good
and accepts the old, traditional FF addons.
But Waterfox (and Chrome)
are only for 64-bit Ubuntu Linux pcs
…mine is 32-bits.
How about the Chromium browser?
I have Ubuntu Linux 14.04 LTS 32-bits,
just installed it and runs super fast!.
But Chromium seems to be “stuck”
to Version 65.0.3325.181 (Official Build) .
I can’t upgrade it to later, updated versions…
Any experience with Chromium
Is my version secure enough
to do online Banking, etc?.
Thanks for any pointers, opinions…
What particular issues were you having with v28? It ran well for me
(now full disclosure – I was running New Moon v28 on Vista)
Thanks Jody for the reply.
I use some 50 “old-style” but useful FF addons.
Some of them refused to work
in the new PaleMoon v28.
That’s why I went back to PM 27.9.4 (temporarily).
There were also problems
with some websites (ie: Netlify.com and others).
It became to much of a time-consuming hassle…
(well, in my case).
I’m sure other people will benefit greatly
from v. 28+.
I always loved Pale Moon,
(in Ubuntu Linux 32-bits),
but I’m now preparing to migrate
to Firefox and Chromium.
Ubuntu 14 official repo seems to only provide Chromium until version 65.
You can manually add other repo so you can update your Chromium or you can upgrade to the latest Ubuntu. Also if your have minimum 2GB ram(4GB is recommended), I suggest you to upgrade to 64 bits. 32 bits softwares are being deprecated.
Thanks for your good (realistic) advice
Will follow some of your guidelines.
Makes absolute sense…
You could try woolyss chromium, there are versions with no webRTC or sync still available, last one for Win 64 bit is 67.0.3396.99. That’s what I use when I have to use chrome; the only almost private flavor of chromium. Privacy was the intention of woolyss chromium.
WebRTC is so entwined in chromium (and chrome) it’s not feasible to disable it, so new woolyss versions don’t disable it.
Many Linux flavors, 32 and 64 bit too:
In google’s paraphrased wording, chrome is browser based user advertising data collection software, so don’t expect much. Sessions in even the older woolyss versions would go for just so long before it was obvious you were being tracked because of captchas suddenly appearing, redirects or other odd behavior I never get in FF. I do have many, many config settings changed in FF but chrome is very limited; flags that can be altered only take it from onerously nagging to annoying. It never gets to where the user feels in control. All the credit card flags are unbelievable!
@Weilan – Pale Moon does work on YouTube’s new layout. You have to change the user agent override to get it to work, but it does work. If that’s too complex and you absolutely have to use the new interface, Pale Moon isn’t for you. So out of the two things Pale Moon can’t do that you mentioned, it can actually do one of them. Who knows how many other things you might have come up with that it can’t do that it actually can.
Pale Moon is a niche browser. It isn’t for everyone. People often make their way to the forum and want Pale Moon to be Firefox in one way or another and those people would be better off using Firefox. Whether or not multi-process is the way to go is a technical question that you don’t have the technical knowledge to discuss in any depth. I don’t either, but I’m not making claims about how one is better than the other.
You’re a mainstream user so you stick to your mainstream software that isn’t “outdated” and does things like every other mainstream product because when they all do it the same way that means it’s better. Pale Moon isn’t for you.
Easy, just stay away from it. Not for ghrome users.
Weilan: a web browser that “isn’t compatible with the web” – the usual nonsense promptly appears.
@Weilan, you also managed to cram in yet more nonsense: Pale Moon does not support Windows XP anyway.
“theyâ€™re trying to promote outdated software that isnâ€™t really that useful.”
Planet Earth calling…
No issue with the latest version. Works rather fine. So far i have not regretted switching from Otter-Browser towards Pale Moon 28.
Stable, has tons of customization options – the well known good old Firefox UI without the bowing-down to Chrome’s concept, which is highly overrated and anti-competitive.
Sure, PM is not at all compatible with latest webtechnology like Firefox/Chrome/Chromium forks – but it works well enough to stay.
And best… it is not Google or Chromium. I see Google as not tolerable – same like Mozilla, who wants to be like Google these days with adopting more and more Google technology – like webextensions.
More i can’t say right now to this topic.
Just… everyone who is defending Google or Google Chrome or Chromium… is supporting Google’s destructive and anti-competitive relation with other browsers. Think twice people – before you pick to use something Google related!
Now see I actually agree with your stance on Google as a company, except the fact that their services trump the competition unfortunately. Search gives better results, Maps is way better than the alternatives and we use Google Docs as a shared document set at work. Problem is, these services work as good as they do, only because of the telemetry gathering at work here.
But the problem is, Google is just an easy target. All companies do this now. I work in traditional media, and it’s dying. So advertisers are spending their dollars online – and the results work. So data gathering is here to stay I’m afraid.
Wow! We actually agreed. Wow!
@jody thornton but only Google is so heavily interested to utterly destroy their competition.
The main goal of the Google crowd is to make others weak so they can take over seen long-term wise. Rather simple, give the competition “helpful advise and valuable knowledge” – then look how they deconstruct themselves, alienate their own target group, and when they have become to weak because the competition was not interested in thinking twice or only thinking with the open money purse – they will be taken over by Google… Or vanish on their own.
So, Google is right now the most destructive and devious company inside the open market. And that…. should make EVERYONE worry. Because if you have a defacto monopoly – with just a couple of weak competing products, which are already on Google’s “most-wanted” list (yeah, Firefox or “Opera” included) – you should be long timed worrying about the future.
And no matter if Google fan or not, this facts should not be ignored. No company should become the ultimate leader and trend-setter or the target market, or diversity and even more important… creativity… is going to suffer… or as can be seen in the browser market – vanishing almost as a whole!
@jody thornton Just take a look – So many products are just Google minions… No matter if Opera, Brave, Vivaldi, Centbrowser – even Falkon – and many many others.
All that mentioned and not mentioned products are forced to eat what Google demands, and if “Big G” at one point decides to make such a breaking change that all the others can not go forward anymore, even they will vanish and cease to exist. The only browsers which are ignored by “Big G” are products like Pale Moon or Otter browser.
All this should be such a warning sign for someone like Mozilla. But even they stopped thinking with making their decisions based on creativity/diversity objectives but instead now are trying to defend their movement with money and additional (but not coming) importance arguments first. What they do not see is that they are playing the ball constantly back to Google – who has time and patience – and is just waiting for the best moment to make the final counting goal.
As long as Mozilla and others have tried to think on their own – as long as they made decisions on their own – without being constantly influenced from a devious giant – as long they had quite a nice future – a future much better than the one that is more and more foreshadowing to come at a not so far away point in time.
I installed the update this morning, and now the browser won’t open, and control panel will not allow me to delete this intentionally non-working junk. Since no one at moonchild will ever help anyone, is there a way to get rid of this piece of junk? Win 7 32 bit, version 28.1 was ridiculously SLOW. I never got to find out about 28.2. I use Opera, Pale moon, & IE, all browsers EXCEPT PALE MOON are fast. Pale moon won’t open, the icon is missing from the desktop, and I’m not allowed to remove it in control panel. What has that asshole at Pale moon done this time?
Sounds more like an ignorant users’ antivirus doing its magic. Also, since you use ALL browsers including IE, why bother?
Did you back up your profile? You could try the older release again, but I wonder if something wonky is going on with your profile. I only say that since you mentioned having problems with v28.1.
Myself I’ve made the “Quantum” leap to another browser. But even then, I’m staying with ESR v60.
The browser itself is great, but I wish the developers weren’t so childish.
@Kwasiarz: by “developers” I assume you mean Moonchild. If so, then your word “childish” is a nice euphemism for “arrogant” or “intolerant”.
In his defense, the Palemoon developer HAS “child” in his nickname :)
Intolerance to some pure stupid posts in their forum is great for filtering out unnecessary noise for users really enjoying and knowing the true value of a great FREE development software project. Palemoon is the only web browser to have left inside the real Firefox code to give power to its users, Palemoon own extensions and themes are great and high quality developed, it can use legacy Firefox XUL addons. And there is also their maybe least known project, Basilisk, which is simply just as great as Palemoon but with Australis Firefox 29 UI easy “correctable” with CTR. The project leader and its team are ones of the very few developers left not bending on the big Co. pushing trends on the Web.
To be fair, the name is Moon’Child’
As long as the browser keeps moving in a positive direction, moonchild can do what he likes, imo.
The best browser for me. Not that I am in love with its dev but the moonchild’s bashing like above will not help Firefox users to forget their nightmares always at each update trying to tame their about:config.
Looks like you live in your one private fantasy, Firefox users have no problems with updates. And since the transition to webextensions, module incompatibilities between each new version have magically disappeared… unlike Palemoon XUL modules which break at the slightest change.
“Firefox users have no problems with updates”
I agree with the other Anonymous, at every update I’m anxious of what new anti-features have been added, there’s even a user.js born on this very site to help user clean their about:config for every new version :
“And since the transition to webextensions, module incompatibilities between each new version have magically disappearedâ€¦”
Most of modules (the ones that are not WebExtensions) have actually magically disappeared themselves from the Firefox landscape, being no longer compatible. I wouldn’t brag about such a solution to compatibility problems…
“I agree with the other Anonymous, at every update Iâ€™m anxious of what new anti-features have been added, thereâ€™s even a user.js born on this very site to help user clean their about:config for every new version”
I am amazed by your level of paranoia… Thanks for the laugh.
“Most of modules (the ones that are not WebExtensions) have actually magically disappeared themselves from the Firefox landscape, being no longer compatible. I wouldnâ€™t brag about such a solution to compatibility problemsâ€¦”
Most modules that are not webextensions are either useless now or bugged to the bone (hi tabmixplus). And they will get worse with time, since their original developers have left the ship. I gladly leave them to Palemoon users. In contrast, the number of webextensions available has exploded since version 57.
@pmk “the number of webextensions available has exploded since version 57.”
Yes, just like the Microsoft Store. Quality stuff, no doubt.
@pmk: “Most modules that are not webextensions are either useless now or bugged to the bone”
This is simply factually incorrect.
“In contrast, the number of webextensions available has exploded since version 57.”
That’s a nonsequitor. How many webextensions there are has no relevance to whether or not XUL extensions are “useless or bugged to the bone”
Personally, the primary thing that keeps me away from the new Firefox is the deprecation of XUL, because the new system is not (and, according to Mozilla, will never be) powerful enough to support that sorts of extensions that I need. So I’ll stick with my old “useless” extensions, because they work, are useful, and have no replacements.
“I am amazed by your level of paranoiaâ€¦ Thanks for the laugh.”
I guess you didn’t read the link I gave to you.
“Most modules that are not webextensions are either useless now or bugged to the bone”
This is not true, most of them work fine, and lots of them provide functionality that was not or even cannot be replaced with webextensions.
No you’re right – Moonbashing won’t tame Firefox woes, but ESR 60 will for eighteen months.
Moonchild helped create a fantastic browser. I love the Palemoon browser. To all Moonchild whiners: Where is your gratitude? :)
Gratitude for what? For the developer being a whiny baby that can’t take criticism even if zer life being dependent on it?
Because everyone knows the main role of software developers is to accept criticism 24/7 for their free software and gently take of the hand of every single, frustrated -and possibly in need of professional help- internet user. Obviously.
I rather would say – there is no middle ground opinions towards Pale Moon (the handful of users who are using a software as long as it fits their needs excluded, as the number of such people is critically low numbered) – the 2 groups which are either:
1) Pro Pale Moon
2) Contra Pale Moon
It really is somewhat funny to see only 2 extremist positions hanging around and discussing Pale Moon – while every other browser project has also a third big group – the neutral ones who are neither positive or negative and use as written above a software as long as it is useful for them – which is nearly fully absent in the case of Pale Moon.
But what i do see is the contra-side is for sure the lesser grown up of both available one’s.
Can anyone explain why palemoon can’t access with a tor proxy 127.0.0.0.1:9050
to sites that pass through cloudflare unless you resolve the cloudlfare captcha.
While icecat 60.7.0, firefox 60.0.1, firefox 64.0.1, firefox 64.0.2, firefox 66.0.0, firefox 66.0.2, firefox 66.0.5, firefox 67.0, firefox 67.0.1 do not have the cloudlfare captchas.
On that I had developed here:
Use tor impossible on palemoon ? Is Palemoon that Secure ?
a copy on:
On the page
a copy on:
It was asked why palemoon configured under tor (127.0.0.1:9050)
could not access addresses with a ‘cloudflare service’.
Cloudflare blocks the ‘exit node addresses’ of ‘the tor network’:
These addresses are well known and are increasingly used as spam.
The technical Question that Was Asked on this page was :
– Can Palemoon be considered a secure browser ? Since it is now impossible to use it with the tor service, in more and more sites, sites using the cloudflare service ?
The question remains unresolved and as long as a TECHNICAL SOLUTION IS FOUND :
– The Answer is NO, Palemoon is no longer Secure.
I agree with that value (relationship and usage of Pale Moon and Firefox)!
When Firefox went chromium, I switched to Pale Moon and thought to be happy ever after. (Yes,I’m a dreamer)
Then v28 came along and many webpages were only showing big blanks, so I had to go back to Firefox. (Chrome etc. are not my thing.) With some config-hacks applied it’s not bad.
Farewell, Pale Moon.
Never had this issue. Have you posted about it in the forum?
@LTL: the grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, until you gain access to that field and discover that nothing is perfect in the world, and that whence you came life wasn’t so bad.
Het gras IS altijd groener aan de overkant, Klaas! (Je moet geen zand in mijn ogen proberen te strooien ;)
[between Dutchies rattle]
To all: Starting with v28 I encountered several problems. One of them was having to create too many useragents overrides to keep websites acting normal. And for other things as well I was visiting about:config too much to my liking.
I’m not trying to bash Pale Moon or any other ‘brand’. I just like software to execute what it was made to do, in a for me convenient way. If it doesn’t or stops doing it, I switch. Surely Firefox has its flaws as well (and I don’t even wanna start about peeping Gnome… errr, Chrome), but at least it’s updated to all the latest webbie stuff.
@LTL: ik probeer geen zand in je ogen te strooien, integendeel, ik probeer het zand eruit te halen, en ik stel vast dat dat ik daarin geslaagd ben. Goed zo.
You obviously realise that that greener grass isn’t always greener on the other side. Firefox isn’t perfect, but there’s a lot worse.
I don’t understand the bickering about Pale Moon. It’s a browser. There are lots of browsers. It’s not supposed to be what Firefox should be but isn’t. If it works for you, great! If not, oh well, it’s free.
I’d gladly pay for a browser that really is private; who’s going to develop one? Not me; I don’t know how.
Such haters in here. I have to say that the new update works well on my Linux system. I think Moonchild is really getting somewhere with the new platform. Pretty soon, he won’t even have to update the base to a new “Firefox” version. Goanna, the engine behind both Pale Moon and Basilisk is almost completely UXP and thus almost completely independent of Firefox now.
Since its release, I can’t delete individual search history – I open History, click on a particular history I want to delete, push DELETE, and it does nothing. I used to be able to do that. Anyone else experiencing this problem?
Pale Moon has been updated to 28.2.1 to address a critical usability issue in the history and bookmarks window.
There’s a already an update (28.2.1) that addresses issues with bookmarks/history. Perhaps it solves your problem, check it out.
Got it, thanks guys.
The 28.2 update has totally changed my perception of moon CHILD. After the update, the desktop icon disappeared, then the listing from the menu, and finally I found what was left of it via control panel. The only reason I have left to be here, how do I get rid of the mess on my control panel. I’m not allowed to remove it. Any answers welcomed.
I’m using Pale Moon on the same setup with no such problems. On PM forums I’ve seen one post about a web update problem caused maybe by update server overload – which should be solved now. Otherwise I would recommend downloading the installer and just reinstall. Where’s the drama?
replace all your fox-like browsers with Brave – I think you’ll grow to like it just as much as I…
This would affect Pale Moon users, so it’s worth drawing atterntion to:
Why is Palemoon even a sub category on this site?? Let alone discussed.
Better option, download Firefox ESR harden it with ghack’s user.js (disables telemetry/pocket) and install Ublock and other similar addons. You also get the latest security updates & patches with FF.
Why is Palemoon even a sub category on this site?? Let alone discussed.
The lead attention seeker @ Waterfox….Blah Blah Blaaahhh
Better option, download Firefox ESR harden it with ghackâ€™s user.js (disables telemetry/pocket)
and install Ublock and other similar addons.
Why do you care what we choose to discuss?
If YOU dont like the topic avoid it.
Dont troll the rest of us.
If your fave piece of software ever ‘Jumps the Shark’ in some
way that you find completely unacceptable,
You might be GLAD there some obscure alternative you can use.
I use waterfox as my main browser,for now, & I have Pale Moon Installed on my linux OS,MX-17
it has a software center with TEN! web-browsers installable with a single click.
Chrome & Chromium, Opera, Vivaldi,Firefox, Waterfox,Palemoon, Netsurf slimjet & Qupzilla.
The last 3 Ive never even tried.
@Supergirl: many thanks for mentioning MX. I am currently looking at evaluating a number of Linux distros (will eventually ditch Windows) but had never heard of MX. On their site they mentioned antiX, which appealed slightly more to me, although I don’t really know why. I downloaded and installed the antiX full version, and boy am I impressed. Light weight and yet full off apps. I have been looking at Mint (of course) and Ubuntu, among others, but this seems even more user/beginner-friendly.than the supposedly beginner-friendly champ Mint – I might be getting used to Linux a bit more. But I need to spend more time (it’s been just 1 day) to get to know antiX a bit better.
I downloaded MX too but have not yet installed it. I’ll have to find out if it is worth it, i.e. what the difference between the 2 is.
It appear that version 28.3 has been released.
I’ll be watching this closely now. As Quantum unveils a lot of changes, who says that I’ll still like it once the current ESR v60 goes EOL. I may have to go crawling back to Pale Moon (crap! I hope not – but one never ever knows)