Pale Moon 29 is out: first release of 2021

Martin Brinkmann
Feb 2, 2021
Internet, Pale Moon

The development team behind the PaleMoon web browser has released Pale Moon 29.0.0, the first release of the browser in 2021. Pale Moon 29 is a milestone release that bumps the browser's version to 29.

Existing installations should receive the upgrade automatically thanks to the browser's built-in automatic updating functionality. The new release is also available as a standalone download for all supported operating systems.

Tip: you can check the current version by selecting Menu > Help > About Pale Moon.

Pale Moon 29: release information

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The official release notes provide details on the changes and additions. The team notes that it did not include Google WebComponent support in the new release and that it focused the release on improvements, enhancements, and bug fixes instead.

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As far as new features are concerned, there are a few. Pale Moon 29 supports AV1 video by default, an up-and-coming media format. Another useful addition comes in form of a new preference: browser.tabs.allowTabDetach prevents that tabs can be dragged and dropped outside the tabbar area to create new windows. It needs to be set to FALSE for that on about:config; the default value of TRUE means means that tabs can be dragged and dropped to create new windows.

What else is new? Linux users get official GTK3 builds next to GTK2 builds, first steps for supporting FreeBSD builds have been implemented, and Pale Moon 29 blocks autoplaying media in background tabs by default now.

As far as Google WebComponents is concerned, some functionality has been added but is set to off by default. The development team suggests to keep it off unless users want to help the team with the implementation. Adventurous users may set dom.webcomponents.enabled to TRUE to enable the feature.

Pale Moon 29.0 introduces a number of fixes and other changes. NSPR and NSS have been updated, a crash on Mac has been fixed, and a memory safety issue has been fixed. The development team disabled the Storage Manager API by default, and "removed a large chunk of Android-specific code".

Interested users can check out the official release notes for a full list of new features and changes.

Now You: have you tried Pale Moon recently? What is your take on the browser?

Pale Moon 29 is out: first release of 2021
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  1. Clas said on February 6, 2022 at 3:56 pm

    old user here. been on pale moon portable 29.1 for some time. I feel its the best version. I run it off a flash drive and sandboxed and never a problem. It’s very customizable and easily made to accomodate old eyes. Plenty of useful extensions that work easily and well. HTTPS, Ublock origin, Theme Tweaker makes all top bars so easy to read ..Night mode, many others just all work so well. Pale Moon is plenty fast, even off a flash drive. If I find anything that does not work, I just go to it on Vivaldi and no problem….then back. I have tried all the rest and anything Google just does not care about old eyes. Way too hard to change. Thanks Pale Moon.

  2. anon said on April 28, 2021 at 1:31 am

    Old thread but there’s no new one (yet?) for the latest update.

    So, starting with 29.2.0 Firefox legacy extension support is dead(?) it seems. What a joke. I’ve been using PM since Australis release and always loved the browser for being what FF used to be. With FF continuing to ruin the interface, adding useless features, and then destroying the HUGE add-on ecosystem, I loved that the PM team stayed true to their vision.

    I don’t really follow the PM forums because IMHO the devs are almost always nasty to other users and act like immature teens who think they’re above all just because they know how to code. But my policy has always been to separate the “art” from the “artist”. So be they who they are and do whatever, I don’t care as long as PM works. I saw the drama regarding user and contributor JustOff, and IMO it was completely unnecessary and childish, again. Both sides were in the wrong. Again, I didn’t really care and ignored it. I still use both PM and JustOff’s “malicious (or whatever they called them)” extensions.

    Now, I did my manual search for PM updates and found one, opened the changelog and what do I see?
    “Starting with this version, we will no longer be supporting unmaintained legacy Firefox extensions that are not updated for/targeting Pale Moon directly.”
    In my case this only affects 4 extensions, but those have been with me since ~2012 and despite never getting updated, have continued to work just fine. The new update would force me to browse without those add-ons, great!
    Then I go to check the forum post and see an amazing message:
    “You’ll be pleased to know that Pale Moon currently has over 230 extensions listed on its add-ons site, that should cover most of the most important uses of extensions like content blockers, download managers and user interface tweaks. Of course there may not (yet) be a replacement available for what you are currently using, since there has been a rather unfortunate lack of involvement or care for the extension ecosystem with how backwards compatibility has been maintained and in some cases forced.”
    Wow, a whole 230 extensions for PM? That’s great! /s
    This reminds me of when Mozilla removed legacy extension support and essentially made thousands of them unusable while claiming “but you can get xx number of web extensions made for the new FF, devs will just adapt and make new ones with this (limited) system.” Now the PM devs are pulling the same crap and pretend like it’s all for future browser development and that the past needs to rest blablabla.

    As much as I love PM I am also a realist who knows that the userbase has always been tiny and it’s certainly NOT growing. And the PM devs can pretend or promise all they want about imaginary extension devs cropping up out of nowhere to replace hundreds or thousands, let alone a couple dozen extensions. These coders don’t exist and won’t come. Most people don’t use PM or even FF. The dozens of Chrome copies are where everyone’s at. In the past almost no one made or ported add-ons to PM and that won’t change. Some people even stopped porting, forking and maintaining stuff. Then you get immature spats with people like JustOff, which drives away devs and makes the PM community look even more like a joke (when you mention PM to some people you’ll always get the idiotic reply “oh those r******d furries”).

    Then I see this funny comment by our friend Matt:
    “Ok let me interject here p***m.. Video Downloaders are by definition service based and in a mostly MSE world they aren’t useful or in general entirely legal. Yes you are a confirmed criminal. VideoDownloadHelper its self doesn’t even properly function in Pale Moon last I checked AND it is Jetpack.”
    Calling a user a criminal for using a video downloader that his “friend” moonchild indirectly included in “download managers” and also saying that it doesn’t even work in PM. Why doesn’t it I wonder? Oh, maybe because it’s not maintained for years and it’s one of the most popular add-ons. And the best alternative video downloader extension has been buggy and non-functional for years as well so you’d have to use an older version that also stopped working.
    Then he goes on
    “You are a failure as a Pale Moon user. You should just pack up and leave now like you have already threatened to. I am very disappointed that you listed all these ignoring explicit instructions.”
    I don’t know that user, but this behaviour yet again just makes me not want to browse that forum. What is even the point when all they do is bicker and insult users? And whenever there is a supposedly meaningful discussion about browser development and support it devolves into this, I hate to say it, toxic garbage.
    ” To everyone, please don’t include extensions you have disabled or is busted. We want lists of actively used critical extensions so there might be some additional options come the end of the month for some.”
    Actively used critical extensions? So only POPULAR ones I suppose? What about tiny innocent extensions made ages ago by people who vanished from the net? Oh then you’ll tell me to look for replacements or learn to code or pay someone (maybe you? *wink*) to fork them or make new ones? Nah-uh.

    ” Rule 1: Read all the previous posts before you post so that there isn’t a bunch of duplication. Multiple pseudo-votes by listing the same thing over and over again is meaningless.”
    ” Rule 6: Please no side discussion about the extension, how important it is to you, or how unfair or monstrous we are as well as any offers to pay money. You can do that elsewhere on the forum.”
    So I’m supposed to read several pages and research all kinds of stuff that will get ignored anyway and there’s no place for any discussion? Great! Oh and btw that thread is locked so I can’t even post my non-working add-ons.

    I’m done ranting. I don’t know what to do anyway. If I update it’s the same as FF making stuff not work anymore. If I don’t update (like my Windows lol) I’m missing out on critical security updates. Either way sucks. I shouldn’t even mention this because it’s ammo against me, but whatever. I’ve already stopped using PM for everything a few years ago. My mail provider stopped working in PM, so I had to use Chromium. Some video sites stopped working in PM, had to use Chromium. Download extensions stopped working, switched to JDownloader2 and Chromium *sigh*. Youtube gets more buggy all the time, again Chromium. MEGA works only 20% of the time, again JD2 and Chromium. Streaming sites like Twitch are slow and unresponsive on PM, again Chromium.
    All that and more and now it’s gotten to the point I’m not just opening Chromium once in a while but open it after booting together with PM. PM for regular browsing (when it works) and Chromium for entertainment and whatever doesn’t work in PM (which increases all the time). I hate Chrome and all its siblings, but it works? PM is still great and I even use Basilisk for some things, but with this new legacy add-on change and possible future changes I’m growing doubts.

    What even is PaleMoon’s future supposed to be? They don’t want to be a (modern) FF clone, they don’t want to ape Chrome, but they also believe that the past PM code base is ancient and needs a rework. What does this mean? Scrap older parts that made PM PM = a maintained “old FF” fork. So if that goes and they still reject the “new FF” then what is it? And without new coders on the team or even just independent contributors who is going to do anything? And who’s going to grow the “made for PM extensions”? This feels like a sinking ship. And yes, criticize me all you want like you do on those forums, I don’t care (I know you browse and post here as well). I still love PM and want it to live and prosper so my advice is: cut the crap out already! Meaning fix your behaviour not your code lol ;-)

    1. Iron Heart said on April 29, 2021 at 1:23 pm


      There are two ways you can make your extensions work again:

      1) Update to Pale Moon 29.2.0, then install this add-on “Moon Tester Tool” (XPI file can be found here):

      This “Moon Tester Tool” will allow you to re-install the XPI files of your Non-Pale Moon add-ons, if you have them on your HDD. If not, then Classic Add-ons Archive is your friend, you can get the XPI files from there:

      2) Switch to Waterfox Classic (emphasis on “Classic” here, G3 doesn’t work for legacy add-ons): Depending on the age of your add-ons, you might have to turn off multiprocess / e10s in Waterfox Classic’s settings in order to make them work. The Classic Theme Restorer add-on can help you make Waterfox look like Pale Moon, by the way.

      > I hate Chrome and all its siblings, but it works?

      I am using Brave and it’s more than tolerable, here is how I’ve set up mine: Don’t use the data collecting machines Chrome / Edge / Opera if you can avoid it. If you are into UI customization, you might want to take a look at Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based and very customizable.

      PS: There is a separate topic re. the Pale Moon add-on armageddon now:

  3. Jody Thornton said on March 6, 2021 at 4:32 am

    “JustOff” the presses (sorry I had to ….lol)

    That Sadjadi guy writes:
    First, it is sad that such things going to happen, as it just adds more ammunition to the well known anti-PM fascists. Is such conflict really necessary?

    I must be one of those Anti-PM Fascists he speaks of. But wait; how does being against Pale Moon make one Fascist exactly? How is this political in any way?

    And moreover, guys like me aren’t against the Pale Moon or Basilisk browser. Hey even Binary Outcast releases some good software. It’s makes me cringe knowing who’s behind it, but I have nothing bad to say to say about the products.

    Matty Tobin asked me earlier in this thread why I keep bothering to follow to smut that is the Pale Moon forum? Because I like it whenever someone besides me notices just how piss-poor the attitudes of the team are. I think JustOff is getting a taste of that now. So I’ll be there to keep shining that bright flashlight right in Moon-Matt’s eyes. Hey, I get that Tobin and Moonchild find me annoying. But they banned me and many others for speaking their own mind.

    So that’s what you get.

  4. JoeyG said on February 21, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    I meant “… they don’t FAZE me in the least, …”.

    I’m really getting old.

  5. JoeyG said on February 20, 2021 at 9:00 pm

    I’ve used Pale Moon 29.0.1 on all eight of my home computers with no problem whatsoever since the day it came out. It’s my default browser on my two Win 10 and six Win 7 machines. I use the zip version.

    I also have the latest stable version of Basilisk (zip) and the latest unstable version of Pale Moon (portable) on all my machines. When I want to surf, my desktop shortcut is to the unstable. I keep Basilisk “just in case” and to see how it’s developing.

    My addons are
    – Adblock Latitude 5.0.8
    – Add Bookmark Helper 1.0.8
    – Add to Search Bar 2.7.1-signed
    – Beef Taco (Targeted Advertising Cookie Opt-Out) 1.3.7
    – Classic Add-ons Archive 2.0.1
    – Cleanest Addon Manager 7.1
    – Cookie Permissions Button 3.3.0
    – customize_titlebar_v2 0.8
    – Downloads Statusbar 15.2.0
    – Extension List Dumper 2 1.0.2
    – FavIconReloader 0.8.1-signed
    – Google Privacy
    – Google search link fix
    – Moon Tester Tool 2.1.1
    – NoScript 5.1.9
    – Open link in… 1.9.1-signed.1-signed
    – Pale Moon Commander 3.0.1
    – Quick Locale Switcher
    – QuickPageZoom 1.6.3
    – Rehost Image 1.5.21
    – Remove It Permanently
    – Restart App Button
    – SaveAsFilename 0.1.1-signed.1-signed
    – Screengrab (fix version) 0.99.04c
    – Site Favicon in Urlbar 48.0.2
    – SmoothWheel (
    – Theme Tweaker 1.0.0
    – Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1
    – Toolbar Buttons 1.1.1
    – UAControl
    – uBlock Origin
    – User-Agent JS Fixer 1.3.1-signed.1-signed

    I’m also using the Red Cats Green Flavor full theme.

    I jumped to Pale Moon from Firefox when Australis appeared, and I got to Fx from Netscape (via Bon Echo) way back when. There have been a couple of minor hiccups with Pale Moon over the years, but with my end-user’s background with Fx and Netscape, I’ve been able to overcome all of them to my satisfaction sooner or later.

    Ahhhh, Malliz, Frank Lion, I had forgotten those names. As it turns out, the latter was actually a very nice, helpful person who assisted me on a little project once upon a time.

    As for Mr. Tobin and Mr. Straver, they are how they are; I’ve been the object of their individual and collective ire on several occasions. The good (or perhaps bad) news is that I’m a person approaching 75 years of age; they don’t phase me in the least, and I don’t care at all what they think of my computing practices. I salute both of them for their dedication to their respective projects.

    Based on the devs’ comments, I’m aware that my contentment with Pale Moon is ultimately destined to hit a brick wall. If I’m still healthy enough to do so, at that point, I guess I’ll have to scramble. Till then, Pale Moon meets all my browser requirements.

    1. owl said on February 23, 2021 at 9:31 am


      I have read your post with great interest.
      Since Pale Moon 29.0.1 will be a milestone version (major upgrade), the extension will work properly with compatible products with “v29.x”.

      In your list, most extensions seem to be “incompatible” items.
      It’s probably automatically disabled or not working properly.
      Non-conforming extensions can cause memory leaks and slow down browser performance. Also, many legacy add-ons are “discontinued” and are a weak point for vulnerabilities.
      Disable all extensions in safe mode, check the operation while enabling each extension one by one, and the extension is not working properly (no extension icon, options do not work, behavior is strange, etc.) Recommend that you disable the extension (I recommend remove it).
      Also, using multiple adblocker extensions (Adblock Latitude, NoScript, uBlock Origin) will cause “Conflict obstacle”, so it is recommended to limit to one of them. We recommend “uBlock Origin”.

      If you like, please refer to my “List of extensions I have added to Pale Moon 29.0.1”

      Sincerely yours

      1. JoeyG said on March 2, 2021 at 2:27 pm


        Thanks for your comment. I have actually hacked all of my extensions, and on my machine none appears as “incompatible” or has been disabled. All seem to work just fine and, to be honest, I’m simply too lazy to go through the testing process. I update things regularly, but only troubleshoot when something is obviously broken.

        As for the “adblocker” extensions, I’m well aware of the general Pale Moon aversion to NoScript and someone on the team’s apparently personal problem with Gorhill, the dev of uBlock Origin. Whatever. (I’ve also almost been threatened with murder ;-) for using my beloved Red Cats Green Flavor theme – it’s all part of the fun.)

        I sincerely appreciate your feedback and suggestions. If you have the time to point out any of my extensions that you know to be problematic, I’ll be very grateful and will certainly take a deeper look.

        Just for the record, today I updated to Pale Moon 29.1.0 on my two Lenovo S20 workstations. As you can see here (, the AOM looks just fine and dandy, and happily, I’ve encountered no problems so far.

        Again, thanks for your input.

  6. birmingham said on February 6, 2021 at 6:22 pm

    Now You: Have you tried Pale Moon recently? …

    Yes! There hasn’t been much change for me in using Pale Moon since the last ghacks article about it. I might not be a “power user” who knows and needs all the latest “modern google web features”, may be rather “conservative” in visiting those lightweight websites which care about common “standards”, still existing in places. For all my needs with media, youtube, selling plattforms, banking, … even gmail, Pale Moon 29.0.1 on Linux and Windows is still fast and stable, even on my rather old computers. I have actually seen no warnings anymore about an “outdated browser” like on google and other hip sites for a while. I’m not using many “Legacy Add-Ons” anymore, most of them could be replaced with add-ons on Pale Moon extensions site.

    So, minor problems have been solved, security updates seem up-to-date with PM 29.0.1 and I don’t see any need for one of the monopoly browsers, their new groundbreaking features and their never-ending privacy game with progressive data-collection and telemetry plus more privacy paint on the other side. Far from being a privacy advocate I appreciate that Pale Moon, Basilisk as secondary browser, as well as the email client Interlink by binaryoutcast, are cut off and not tied to any of those corporations and advertising industry.
    It’s also more than OK for me, that UXP applications keep such questionable technologies like “Digital Rights Management” out as good as possible. I’m no longer interested in such protected media and as everyone seems to have a plethora of installed browsers anyway, there should be no problem to use another browser for just these tasks.
    Of course, some people will be disappointed that there isn’t the one and only favourite browser for “… just everything”, but I find it rather pointless to continue the writing of the ghacks novel ‘The day my DRM wishes for Pale Moon were refused and how I survived their unfriendly forum’.
    Apart from such mantrish butthurt reports, Pale Moon is still my all day browser, even if it isn’t like the swiss army knife.

  7. owl said on February 5, 2021 at 11:03 pm

    My personal opinion when I tested the milestone version of “Pale Moon 29.0”:
    Currently, the browsers I have are “Firefox (ESR, Developer Edition, Nightly), Pale Moon, Tor Browser, SeaMonkey, Brave, Iridium Browser”.
    The primary browser is Firefox ESR and the secondary is Brave.
    Compared to those browsers, Pale Moon is overwhelmingly lightweight (the amount of resources used is about 60 to 50% compared to those browsers), the rendering performance is also excellent, and has no problems with site connectivity. It has equipped with necessary and sufficient functions, and the “niche functions” have been deleted, and development support is also active. Pale Moon is very attractive.
    As reference material,
    Pale Moon: Technical Details

    I was so impressed with “Pale Moon 29.0” that I decided to give “Basilisk” a try.

  8. computer said no said on February 5, 2021 at 9:44 pm

    Cracking browser.I have used it for many years and i hope them all the best in the future.
    maybe some people here could lend a hand to the project instead of bitching about the browser all the time.

  9. BladerunnerXP said on February 5, 2021 at 4:08 pm

    What also finally HAS TO BE SAID…. and UXP team, you should for once listen to others:

    Instead of placing yourself into an ongoing defensive and victim role – it is more recommended to finally do something productive. Instead of constantly defending yourself or trying to accuse others of bad-mouthing/sabotaging your work – you could have already created countless of Twitter/Facebook/forum posts with the goal to find some interested freelancers which help with the coding work. Or you could have been reading manuals and resources instead so you can implement complex code on your own too.

    That is the problem with the whole UXP guys – they rather complain and go into rage-mode instead of keeping a calm demeanor and trying to persuade people to help with showing towards the public a more constructive attitude… something which actually motivates and draws people towards a project instead of pushing them away. In the end its the behavior of the developer which leads either to helpful or declining response.

    Come on UXP team, get your sh*t together – and show you too actually can be reasonable like the guys from Seamonkey, Waterfox, Brave or Vivaldi. No other small browser developer team shows such an attitude and behavior like you are constantly going to show. It is 2021 – time to change in a more positive way. Pretty sure you can do this too. But only if you want. Honestly, stop seeing yourself as the victims – work together with others, because your “we are on our own, nobody loves us, accepts us, helps us” attitude leads NOWHERE! Same like your constant complaints about wrong branding, wrong building methods which are alienates other communities.

    Come on guys, you can be so much better than this!

    1. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 7, 2021 at 5:38 pm

      He ran away from his Reddit Open Letter when confronted by others and offered to come to the forum by Moonchild to discuss things. Couldn’t even make it on the Anti-Pale Moon subreddit.

      Oh well. Guess they HAVE to test the waters in this new era.

    2. Paul said on February 6, 2021 at 1:07 pm

      “Instead of constantly defending yourself or trying to accuse others of bad-mouthing/sabotaging your work”

      @BladerunnerXP Nobody accused you of anything. Your posts speak for themselves.

    3. Striker said on February 6, 2021 at 8:05 am

      Hey, BladerunnerXP.

      From the way that you have worded your posts here, as well as your specific comments about development team concerns with “wrong branding” and “wrong building methods,” I get the impression that you (and possibly one other user in this comment section) have a personal ax to grind with the Pale Moon people.

      This is a comment section for an article on a particular milestone release of a browser. Yet your posts in this comment section seem to be largely generic badmouthing of the development team’s approach to things. Not too much to do with Pale Moon 29.

      1. Jody Thornton said on February 6, 2021 at 11:27 am

        A team have as much to do with one’s product, as the product itself. And I think that a complete tech journal should welcome information and discussion that’s behind the tech too.

  10. BladerunnerXP said on February 5, 2021 at 3:14 pm

    UXP and Pale Moon… Just the following, considering the information inside the official UXP Repo found here:

    #595 Add window.event
    #1675 Update to Mozilla’s new V8 regexp parser
    #1344 Implement Custom Elements v1 4 (web components)
    #1375 Update Shadow DOM to v1 spec (web components)

    All are features which never will be adopted as nobody can implement them. All features required by the normal web in the meantime – and all are features which have been established in the wild since a rather long time already.

    Now think about what more non-implementable features will be upcoming in 2021. Either do yourself a favor and switch to Vivaldi, or Brave. UXP code-base is not future-proof, as critical features which are preventing pages from being blank simply cannot be adapted – But if you really insist in using an UXP based browser, then you HAVE to use either a Chromium based or recent Mozilla code based backup browser too, as the modern web is in an ongoing increasing number busted in any UXP based product.

    Either Moonchild is going to find finally somebody who has the necessary skills to implement the more complex/involved ECMAscript features or they WILL vanish pretty soon. There are for sure freelancing coders for hire or ex-Mozilla employees who can give help or support. Actually it is highly insane that they are not going to start a truly serious recruiting campaign with the result to finally get an expert for implementations like that.

    Final verdict… This is no hate-comment, its just a collection of sadly existing facts which can be easily reproduced.

    1. Paul said on February 5, 2021 at 10:37 pm

      “All features required by the normal web… This is no hate-comment, its just a collection of sadly existing facts which can be easily reproduced.”

      Problem is, this type of comment boringly repeats itself. Must be years now. Guess what? The “normal web” works just fine and so does Pale Moon.

      The only use for such comments is this: if/when Pale Moon shuts down in 2, 5, 10 or 100 years someone will finally be able to proclaim “I told you so”.

      Good luck with that. We’ll be enjoying this excellent browser in the meantime. You are free to keep using Chrome clones for your own version of the “normal web”.

    2. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 5, 2021 at 9:34 pm

      Gee I sure would love to respond to your open letter on the anti-Pale Moon Pale Moon sub-reddit on which they are squatting. I did notice though that your post there completely lacks your doom-saying in your post here but I can’t respond as they have summarily banned my speech there after that place removed moderatorship from a true community member and handed the whole thing over to one of the most vitriolic anti-Pale Moon people in that place.

      I am not going to try and respond to it here either because you are pushing a point of view which is not accurate to public record or reality and this place is not entirely appropriate for such an exchange.

      However, the mere fact that you believe you would be instantly banned on the forums for that little letter just serves to prove you are not as sincere as you might want to project and if indeed you are correct that it would get you instantly banned then that can only serve to strengthen your argument.

      In any event, I see no reason to entertain your perspective or humor you at this point and time.

  11. computer said no said on February 5, 2021 at 11:46 am

    @jody thornton.
    Well waterfox can be considered a small project too and i don’t see the relevance of waterfox to be honest.
    Just bitching about pale moon for no reason is not helping matters either.

    1. Jody Thornton said on February 5, 2021 at 3:57 pm

      @Computer Said No:

      Waterfox is owned by a search company – I thought you guys all settled that. But OK, at least Alex isn’t so hung up on some ideology about sticking to XUL add-ons stubbornly, or keeping the old interface, on and on.

      Besides, and this is for Matty Boy as well, fair use on a forum should mean I hear both GOOD, BAD and OTHERWISE on a forum topic. If I think people should know about the sorts of characters behind a project, then I will shine my my flashlight on it. Hey you are all about free speech apparently, so I’ll have at it thank you. If I strongly feel that people should move away from using Pale Moon, or from dealing with the Moon-Matt team, then that’s my perrogative.

      I was silent for a LONG time, but on the Pale Moon forum, I recently saw Matt Tobin refer to me as a troll on MSFN, and then bash the MSFN group. So Matty Boy, you’re far from being in a position to be sanctimonious. If I think the Pale Moon optics look bad, I’ll point it out as I see fit.

  12. bawldiggle said on February 5, 2021 at 1:44 am

    I have been using PMoon since Oct-2011 and joined the forum in Feb-2012
    I quit Firefox at the time because getting help for FFox was so frustrating.
    Pale Moon (was for me) so refreshing … and the forum structure logical and very easy to grasp.

    As a browser-virgin the range of extensions amazed me, forum help was always spot on.
    Much simpler than FFox.

    My main attraction to Pale Moon was the ethos of Moonchild the developer.
    Since that time 10 years ago, PM has moved on in leaps and bounds.

    It has never been laggy in my experience … my #1 browser

    Win-7 PRO x64 on 2 PCs
    plus a couple of aged laptops with Win7 x32 ….

    1. Jody Thornton said on February 5, 2021 at 4:23 am

      “My main attraction to Pale Moon was the ethos of Moonchild the developer.”
      Since that time 10 years ago, PM has moved on in leaps and bounds.

      Really? For real? Wow! What people consider to be “good things” on this planet never cease to amaze me.

      As for leaps and bounds improvements – sorry, you must not have gotten out there and tried other browsers. Pale Moon was great when I started using it full time in 2014. But it’s quaint now. I liked that it was customizable and that……. er, well….. that would be about it now. You need to be able to browse the modern web. Nobody’s ideologies, including those of the Moon-Matt team, should get in the way of that.

      I use Waterfox G3 and it just works. None of the little projects are going to be able to survive this change that Google is foisting upon us with WebComponents. And sorry, but the masses love Google. That ain’t ever changing. I got tired of doing without, just to stand up for the little guys and privacy. I just want to use my computer, tablets and browsers. I have work to get done.

      For my work I use a WebRTC based application to record traffic reports. Sure WebRTC may have security issues, but I NEED it to do work. But because Moon-Matt feel that WebRTC is against their religion, I had to dump Pale Moon. I could use Basilisk for this I suppose, but I know that one day, they’ll kill support on that browser too.

      And Moon-Matt have the diplomacy skills of a hungry bear tied in with a carpenter ant. I went on the forum the other day checking out something for friend who I set up Pale Moon with in the past. Anyone who asks a question gets burned so nastily. Just a shame. I used to complain about Malliz and Frank Lion on the MozillaZine forums for similar reasons. But now I know why the Pale Moon team are looked on by may so poorly.

      1. Ron said on February 6, 2021 at 3:45 pm

        I also like MC’s ethos toward *how to build a browser.* You need to move on from your “divorce” from Pale Moon and stop acting so bitter. Go do some positive things for the things you do like, or whatever.

      2. Jody Thornton said on February 7, 2021 at 12:38 am


        If someone makes a living as a consumer advocate, they don’t stop standing up for consumer interests. They continue to call BS out. There’s a difference between being butthurt, and being amazed how other people are treated.

        If Matty Boy calls me a troll or badmouths MSFN on the Pale Moon forum, then is he ANY LESS butthurt? And I’m not even the concern here. Like you said, I’ve been divorced, right? They CONTIUNUE to berate people who ask fair questions. Even “owl” on here was posting all sorts of overly-detailed stuff in support of Pale Moon. Even then, Matt scorned him saying, “Get you facts straight!” He’s pissing on his own teammate.

        All you’re saying is, “Shut up Jody. I like Moon-Matt and if they treat people all jerky, then who cares?”

        Well A LOT of people care. Ever notice that the moderator of this forum stopped posting Pale Moon news for eons, likely because of the comments it drew? That wasn’t JUST me contributing to the negative side – trust me. Checkout Reddit, or even the Pale Moon forum, even several xNix forums. So many people call out Moon-Matt’s serious lack of decorum.

        So my continuing to bring awareness about Moonchild Productions and the piss-poor attitude of its team, is NOT being butt hurt. It’s me exercising social responsibility to others.

      3. Ron said on February 8, 2021 at 10:31 pm

        Exercising social (I hate that word “social” nowadays) responsibility to others? Man, you need to get a life.

      4. Jody Thornton said on February 9, 2021 at 2:32 pm


        So I need to get a life because YOU don’t like anything “social”? That would insinuate that have no life. I mean, hey, you really came back with a short, worthless answer. It really addressed nothing I said, oh except that you don’t like anything “social”. So you must not have much to say.

        I’ll let you be then by your anti-social lonesome. This is tiring. The world is so much kinder and supportive in Waterfox land.

      5. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 5, 2021 at 1:47 pm

        So if you don’t like the people involved in the projects, or other users of the software, and don’t use it yourself. Why do you go anywhere and everywhere to chat shit about it?

        I mean, what does it matter to you if someone else likes the software or doesn’t absolutely hate my self and others with frothing vitriol?

        What is your purpose here? What is your goal? What do you hope to accomplish? And of course, why do you persist in this endeavor?

      6. Jody Thornton said on February 5, 2021 at 3:50 pm

        We could ask the same thing Matt when you used to go huff and puff at MSFN folks for rebuilding New Moon. If it’s open sourced software, they should have at it. Like you, I feel XP has had it’s day, but so has Windows 7. You don’t stop support for that. So let the MSFN guys build what they need for their community.

        I don’t see Mozilla bothering you.over building Pale Moon, or even Basilisk.

        And I have friends that still use Pale Moon and Basilisk at my earlier recommendation, so I check out things to help them out. Hey, they wouldn’t get very far, judging by how you and Moonchild treat people.

        Besides, being a good citizen is to ALWAYS make people aware of piss poor communities. Nothing wrong with pointing out those who refuse to be helpful, have a terrible demanour, and just plain are mean spirited to people. People have questions on your forum, and you bark at them for having questions (that while you feel have been answered on the forum), well people are busy; too busy to read up on everything. Just point them in the right direction and be nice about it.

  13. Peterc said on February 4, 2021 at 10:33 pm

    Following are the legacy Firefox extensions I’m still running (and still have enabled) in Pale Moon:

    • Copy Plain Text 2 — v. 1.6
    • DownThemAll! — v. 3.0.8
    • QuickDrag — v.
    • QuoteURLText — v. 1.0.9b.1-signed.1-signed.1-signed
    • Scroll to Top/Bottom — v.
    • Searchbar Autosizer — v. 3.0.1
    • Uppity — v.

    They all seem to be working okay, though there might be a slight glitch in Searchbar Autosizer with some settings. (And BTW, I don’t know whether the multiple “signed” suffixes are part of the actual version number or rather some weird artifact.)

    When I began using Pale Moon, *all* of my extensions were Firefox extensions. Now the great majority are native Pale Moon extensions. (It’s possible that one or more of the above already have native Pale Moon equivalents; I probably don’t check Pale Moon’s extensions page often enough.)

  14. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 3:33 pm

    Now You: have you tried Pale Moon recently? What is your take on the browser?

    Firefox ESR 78.7.0 is the primary browser. For Pale Moon, I have tried it during a major upgrade of v28.4.0 (2019-02-19).
    To be honest, this “v29” was surprisingly responsive, rendered smoothly, and touching.
    There was no problem with the connectivity with the site, and I felt that it was practical enough as a browser.
    As for the operability of the UI etc, I didn’t feel “old” without any discomfort compared to Firefox.
    However, the “difference between PM and FF” is obvious in the extension, and Firefox ESR is more convenient for my practical use.

    Below are all the extensions I have added to Firefox ESR.
    Troubleshooting Information
    Application Basics
    Name Firefox
    Version 78.7.0esr
    User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/78.0
    OS Windows_NT 10.0

    Name Version Enabled ID
    Auto Tab Discard 0.4.0 true {c2c003ee-bd69-42a2-b0e9-6f34222cb046}
    AutocopySelection2Clipboard 3.4.2 true autocopyselection2clipboard@dook
    Behave! true {17c7f098-dbb8-4f15-ad39-8b578da80f7e}
    Bitwarden – Free Password Manager 1.48.1 true {446900e4-71c2-419f-a6a7-df9c091e268b}
    Bookmarks Organizer 3.1.0 true [email protected]
    CanvasBlocker 1.5 true [email protected]
    ClearURLs 1.20.0 true {74145f27-f039-47ce-a470-a662b129930a}
    Containers Helper 0.0.10 true {800215d6-eff0-4a62-9268-09857c048030}
    Cookie AutoDelete 3.6.0 true [email protected]
    Copy All Tab Urls 2.0.2 true {0507f777-2480-4d48-baf1-3b9c8feeb2b4}
    Copy Selected Links 2.3.0 true jid1-vs5odTmtIydjMg@jetpack
    CopyTabTitleUrl 2.2.0 true [email protected]
    CSS Exfil Protection 1.1.0 true {7fc8ef53-24ec-4205-87a4-1e745953bb0d}
    Dark Background and Light Text 0.7.4 true jid1-QoFqdK4qzUfGWQ@jetpack
    Dictionaries: one to rule them all 2.7.3 true [email protected]
    DuckDuckGo 1.0 true [email protected]
    easyGestures N 6.4 true [email protected]
    Enhancer for YouTubeâ„¢ 2.0.101 true [email protected]
    Facebook Container 2.1.2 true @contain-facebook
    Feedbro 4.9.4 true {a9c2ad37-e940-4892-8dce-cd73c6cbbc0c}
    Firefox Multi-Account Containers 7.3.0 true @testpilot-containers
    Flagfox 6.1.35 true {1018e4d6-728f-4b20-ad56-37578a4de76b}
    Forecastfox (fix version) 4.26 true forecastfox@s3_fix_version
    FoxClocks 6.0.0 true {d37dc5d0-431d-44e5-8c91-49419370caa1}
    Grammar and Spell Checker — LanguageTool 3.3.1 true [email protected]
    Header Editor 4.1.1 true [email protected]
    Hide Private Mode 0.0.6 true [email protected]
    hide-scrollbars 3.0.0 true {a250ed19-05b9-4486-b2c3-535044766b8c}
    HTTPS Everywhere 2021.1.27 true [email protected]
    IDM Integration Module 6.38.11 true [email protected]
    Image Max URL 0.16.3 true maxurl@qsniyg
    IndicateTLS 0.3.0 true {252ee273-8c8d-4609-b54d-62ae345be0a1}
    IP Address and Domain Information true jid0-jJRRRBMgoShUhb07IvnxTBAl29w@jetpack
    Keep or Delete Bookmarks 1.0.1 true [email protected]
    LocalCDN 2.6.0 true {b86e4813-687a-43e6-ab65-0bde4ab75758}
    New window without toolbar 1.3.0 true [email protected]
    OneTab 1.39 true [email protected]
    Popup ALT Attribute 4.2.2 true {61FD08D8-A2CB-46c0-B36D-3F531AC53C12}
    Reader View 0.4.6 true {2495d258-41e7-4cd5-bc7d-ac15981f064e}
    Reading List 2.4.10 true [email protected]
    Redirector 3.5.3 true [email protected]
    Request Control 1.15.5 true {1b1e6108-2d88-4f0f-a338-01f9dbcccd6f}
    Runnaroo Search Engine 1.0.3 true {6fe3db15-a005-4d8a-aeb2-80d2ff67c693}
    Scrapyard 0.4.18 true scrapyard-we@firefox
    Scroll To Top 4.9.1 true jid0-gRmSxW9ByuHwGjLhtXJg27YnZRs@jetpack
    Search all Tabs 0.2.2 true {76b6ec7e-5411-4d36-9aa5-2bb08e31c27e}
    SelectionSK 5.1 true {39657ae4-c030-11e7-abc4-cec278b6b50a}
    Simple Translate 2.4.0 true simple-translate@sienori
    SimpleLogin: Open-source Email Protection 2.4.2 true addon@simplelogin
    SingleFile 1.18.66 true {531906d3-e22f-4a6c-a102-8057b88a1a63}
    SingleFileZ 1.0.4 true {e4db92bc-3213-493d-bd9e-5ff2afc72da6}
    Skip Redirect 2.3.4 true skipredirect@sblask
    Smart Referer 0.2.15 true [email protected]
    Speed Dial 0.1.8 true {6c3bd1f7-54d6-400f-b074-03b70bab4d71}
    Tab counter 1.4 true [email protected]
    Tab Manager v2 1.14.2 true {dd627932-80c4-43bf-8432-db8f47e918ae}
    Tabby – Window and Tab Manager 2.1.1 true [email protected]
    Tabliss 2.1.0 true [email protected]
    Temporary Containers 1.9.1 true {c607c8df-14a7-4f28-894f-29e8722976af}
    TitleURL 0.5 true {fcdb71fb-c9e5-48a3-9d04-e32713f5da88}
    To Google Translate 4.1.0 true jid1-93WyvpgvxzGATw@jetpack Create disposable address 4.1.0 true [email protected]
    Tree Style Tab 3.6.5 true [email protected]
    uBlock Origin 1.33.2 true [email protected]
    Web Translate 3.1 true [email protected]_WebTranslate
    Wikipedia (en) 1.0 true [email protected]
    word count 2.0 true {5716fe2b-e871-4f3f-b8fc-b116971f152a}

  15. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 1:18 am

    My main used browser is “Firefox ESR 78.7.0”.
    Pale Moon is an alternative application.

    Pale Moon implements many extensions (48 items).
    Pale Moon updated to “29” hangs immediately after startup and does not accept operations.
    By “disable the extension” in safe mode (Avoid problems) and restarting, it started normally.
    browser.tabs.allowTabDetach has changed to false.
    Even when I have time, I’ll try to explore the extension that has become incompatible.

    1. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 10:59 am

      Findings of incompatible extensions:
      Since the theme “XMoon” was an older version (Works with Pale Moon 28.0 to 28. *), Pale Moon was disfunctioning.
      ● XMoon: MacOSX theme for Pale Moon. Fork of “MacOSX Theme
      The problem was solved by removing Incompatible older version of XMoon and installing the “latest version” again.

      In addition, the following extensions in used Disabled as “This was not designed for pale Moon. It may not function properly or cease to function.”
      ● Add-ons Manager Context Menu
      ● Clean Links
      ● Easy Copy
      ● Tab Scope

      Even if it is “Compatibility” on the official extension site,
      the following will not actually work (on current).
      ● Tab Counter
      ● Tree Style Tabs for Pale Moon

      1. owl said on February 6, 2021 at 7:59 am

        The modified version “v29.0.1” has been released!
        v29.0.1 (2021-02-06)
        This is a security and stability update.
        ● Fixed a browser crash when manipulating frame trees.
        ● Fixed an issue with depth textures in ANGLE.
        ● Updated the SSOAU for YouTube Studio.
        ● Security issue addressed: ZDI-CAN-12197.

        By applying this modified version (v29.0.1), the extension “Tree Style Tabs for Pale Moon” now works properly.
        Reference information:
        pale moon 29 compatibility #18

      2. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 11:27 pm

        There is no “Dark” type in Pale Moon’s Default theme.
        Darkening the Pale Moon browser is possible by adding the theme “Dark Moon” and the extension “Advanced Night Mode”.

      3. owl said on February 5, 2021 at 10:42 am

        The “Runnaroo Search Engine” plugin cannot be added to Pale Moon, so
        Runnaroo Search Engine is for Home Page use only (or if you type in the Location bar).

      4. owl said on February 5, 2021 at 10:25 am

        The search engine for the Pale Moon browser is “DuckDuckGo”, and other options are limited.
        To use the popular “Runnaroo Search Engine” with the Pale Moon browser recently,
        Go to Preferences > Startup, Home Page:
        It becomes available by setting.

        About Runnaroo

      5. Peterc said on February 4, 2021 at 9:42 pm

        @owl: Tab Counter seems to be working fine for me (in Pale Moon 29 x64 on Windows 10 1909).

      6. owl said on February 5, 2021 at 9:06 am

        @Peterc, thank you!
        I have confirmed that “Tab Counter” works properly.
        I found that the extension (Tab Counter) was assimilated with the background and could not be identified because the browser was set to “Dark” mode.
        I solved it by changing Font color: to white (#FFFFFF) in [Options] of Tab Counter. I was careless.
        I also customized other Appearances.

      7. owl said on February 8, 2021 at 11:43 am

        After updating from Pale Moon “28” to milestone version “29”, scrutinize at the extensions I was using revealed that the following extensions weren’t working at all. I chose to remove instead of disabled them.
        ● Add Bookmark Helper 1.0.6
        ● Addons Memory Usage – Intika MoD 12.9
        ● Address Bar & Search Bar More Readable 1.0.0
        ● Auto-Sort Bookmarks 2.10.12
        ● BarTab Tycho 4.0
        ● CanvasBlocker Legacy 0.2
        Version 0.2:
        new features:
        – added the support for palemoon 27
        – logs not showed in the console
        – great perfomance impact on certain sites

        Version 0.1:
        – Initial legacy verion made form 3.7 and 5.5 versions
        ● Clean Uninstall 0.1.9 (Firefox Legacy-addon)
        ● Cookies Exterminator 2.9.6
        ● Decentraleyes 1.4.2
        ● Downloads: Show in Window, Tab, or Sidebar 1.4.1
        ● Exif Viewer 3.7.5
        ● Google Translator for Pale Moon 2.0.0 (Pale Moon 28.0 to 28.* )
        ● Integrated Authentication for SeaMonkey and Pale Moon 2.0.3
        ● Stay-Open Menu 2.2.2rc (Firefox Legacy-addon)
        ● Translate This Page, Text, or Link 2.1.0 (Pale Moon 27.1.0 to 28.* )

        Meanwhile, have added an extension “Search bar like Findbar 2.0” to Pale Moon 29.01. This extension is very useful and I like it.

        After all, currently the following extensions are added to my Pale Moon 29.01.
        Troubleshooting Information:
        Application Basics
        Name Pale Moon
        Version 29.0.1 (64-bit)
        User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.8 Firefox/68.0 PaleMoon/29.0.1
        OS Windows_NT 10.0
        Name Version Enabled ID
        About Add-ons 1.4 true {265666C5-D659-5C5A-8C36-9ADA9B367E5B}
        Active Stop Button 1.5.11 true {9e96e0c4-9bde-49b7-989f-a4ca4bdc90bb}
        Advanced Night Mode 1.0.9 true [email protected]
        Autoplay Toggle (Non-Restartless) 1.0.2 true [email protected]
        Bookmarks Sidebar with Panels 1.1.0 true {26e99c01-51be-476d-9bf7-0729ce4ae67f}
        Calendate 4.5.1 true {5b965352-430a-11e2-956a-13226188709b}
        CipherFox 4.2.0 true cipherfox@mkfly
        Cookie Masters 3.2.0 true {a04a71f3-ce74-4134-8f86-fae693b19e44}
        CPU & Memory Usage Statusbar 1.0.010 true {7f29bbe6-9a89-4f1a-9265-b0f62c4c3c73}
        Extended Statusbar 2.1.2 true {daf44bf7-a45e-4450-979c-91cf07434c3d}
        Extension Preferences Menu 2.13.19 true {302dd086-df72-4fbf-835f-dc1f296049eb}
        Forecastfox (fix version) 2.4.8 true forecastfox@s3_fix_version
        FoxClocks 4.2.3 true {d37dc5d0-431d-44e5-8c91-49419370caa1}
        Greedy Cache 1.2.1 true [email protected]
        HideScrollbars 1.1 true Hidescrollbars@ArisT2Noia4dev
        Location-4-Evar 1.0.6 true [email protected]
        Lull The Tabs 1.5.0 true [email protected]
        MozArchiver 2.0.1 true mozarchiver@lootyhoof-pm
        Proxy Privacy Ruler 1.2.2 true [email protected]
        Pure URL 3.3 true pure-url@palemoon
        Restart manager 2.08 true [email protected]
        S3.Google Translator 5.35 true s3google@translator
        Sage Reader 1.3.0 true {07e09522-b725-49e7-9e3f-aef6a2994826}
        ScriptBlock 1.0.0 true jsblock@4bebca82
        Scroll To Top 4.5.5 true jid0-gRmSxW9ByuHwGjLhtXJg27YnZRs@jetpack
        Searchbar like Findbar 2.0 true searchbarlikefindbar@rmmaniac
        Self-Destructing Cookies for Pale Moon true {1607f7ec-8262-4016-b51f-f9f5b43d43f1}
        Space Advance 0.34.1 true {2db74bf0-e2ce-4412-a47c-ec6de1449db1}
        Speed Start 2.1.5b1 true [email protected]
        Statusbar Organizer 2.1.0 true {10205942-a0e8-4264-971a-5a0e21851af7}
        Tab Counter 1.04 true [email protected]
        Tab Kit – Tab Highlighter 0.2.5 true [email protected]
        Tree Style Tabs for Pale Moon 0.0.6 true treestyletabforpm@oinkoink
        uBlock Origin true [email protected]

        Dark Moon 2.5.1

        Some extensions are no longer available after updating to Pale Moon “29”. In addition, most Firefox Legacy-addons have been unusable. It is unavoidable due to changes in the times (Web environment).
        After testing the milestone version, I realized how great the “Pale Moon” browser is. I will continue to use it as the primary browser for a while.
        I pay tribute to the developers (Moonchild Productions) and supporters (eager users).

      8. owl said on February 8, 2021 at 11:58 am

        Supplementary information:
        The extension “Bar Tab Tycho” is succeeded by the new author “Lull The Tabs”.

      9. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 11:03 am

        Below are all the extensions I have added to Pale Moon.
        By the way, these can be listed in “Troubleshooting Information”.

        Application Basics
        Name Pale Moon
        Version 29.0.0 (64-bit)
        User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.8 Firefox/68.0 PaleMoon/29.0.0
        OS Windows_NT 10.0

        Name Version Enabled ID
        About Add-ons 1.4 true {265666C5-D659-5C5A-8C36-9ADA9B367E5B}
        Active Stop Button 1.5.11 true {9e96e0c4-9bde-49b7-989f-a4ca4bdc90bb}
        Add Bookmark Helper 1.0.6 true [email protected]
        Addons Memory Usage – Intika MoD 12.8 true [email protected]
        Address Bar & Search Bar More Readable 1.0.0 true {0080df42-a94a-49f3-aa4b-867ecf837367}
        Advanced Night Mode 1.0.9 true [email protected]
        Auto-Sort Bookmarks 2.10.12 true sortbookmarks@bouanto
        Autoplay Toggle (Non-Restartless) 1.0.2 true [email protected]
        BarTab Tycho 4.0 true bartab@infernozeus
        Bookmarks Sidebar with Panels 1.1.0 true {26e99c01-51be-476d-9bf7-0729ce4ae67f}
        Calendate 4.5.1 true {5b965352-430a-11e2-956a-13226188709b}
        CanvasBlocker Legacy 0.2 true CanvasBlocker@legacy
        CipherFox 4.2.0 true cipherfox@mkfly
        Clean Uninstall 0.1.9 true jid1-gjJqQ12bh0olrR@jetpack
        Cookie Masters 3.2.0 true {a04a71f3-ce74-4134-8f86-fae693b19e44}
        Cookies Exterminator 2.9.6 true [email protected]
        Decentraleyes 1.4.2 true jid1-BoFifL9Vbdl2zQ@jetpack
        Downloads: Show in Window, Tab, or Sidebar 1.4.1 true {74c822b8-b6d5-4a81-872c-067338334a74}
        Exif Viewer 3.7.5 true [email protected]
        Extended Statusbar 2.1.1 true {daf44bf7-a45e-4450-979c-91cf07434c3d}
        Extension Preferences Menu 2.13.19 true {302dd086-df72-4fbf-835f-dc1f296049eb}
        Forecastfox (fix version) 2.4.8 true forecastfox@s3_fix_version
        FoxClocks 4.2.3 true {d37dc5d0-431d-44e5-8c91-49419370caa1}
        Google Translator for Pale Moon 2.0.0 true {ed31eaf0-5e61-49eb-89b3-808f4697c54e}
        Greedy Cache 1.2.1 true [email protected]
        HideScrollbars 1.1 true Hidescrollbars@ArisT2Noia4dev
        Integrated Authentication for SeaMonkey and Pale Moon 2.0.3 true [email protected]
        Location-4-Evar 1.0.6 true [email protected]
        Lull The Tabs 1.5.0 true [email protected]
        MozArchiver 2.0.1 true mozarchiver@lootyhoof-pm
        Proxy Privacy Ruler 1.2.2 true [email protected]
        Pure URL 3.3 true pure-url@palemoon
        Restart manager 2.08 true [email protected]
        S3.Google Translator 5.35 true s3google@translator
        Sage Reader 1.3.0 true {07e09522-b725-49e7-9e3f-aef6a2994826}
        ScriptBlock 1.0.0 true jsblock@4bebca82
        Scroll To Top 4.5.5 true jid0-gRmSxW9ByuHwGjLhtXJg27YnZRs@jetpack
        Self-Destructing Cookies for Pale Moon true {1607f7ec-8262-4016-b51f-f9f5b43d43f1}
        Space Advance 0.34.1 true {2db74bf0-e2ce-4412-a47c-ec6de1449db1}
        Speed Start 2.1.5b1 true [email protected]
        Statusbar Organizer 2.1.0 true {10205942-a0e8-4264-971a-5a0e21851af7}
        Stay-Open Menu 2.2.2rc true {3541c267-2580-4144-854e-2e05c8670121}
        Tab Kit – Tab Highlighter 0.2.5 true [email protected]
        Translate This Page, Text, or Link 2.1.0 true {8701e193-7b0a-4871-b1f8-8f89857c46a1}
        uBlock Origin true [email protected]
        Add-ons Manager Context Menu false amcontextmenu@loucypher
        Block Content 0.3 false blockcont@mdsy
        Change Referer Button 0.5 false {8eb2e77d-73aa-4620-a9dd-9ddae0602172}
        Clean Links 2.4 false {158d7cb3-7039-4a75-8e0b-3bd0a464edd2}
        CPU & Memory Usage Statusbar 1.0.010 false {7f29bbe6-9a89-4f1a-9265-b0f62c4c3c73}
        Crush Those Cookies 1.4.0 false crush-those-cookies@wsdfhjxc
        Dismiss The Overlay 1.0.3 false [email protected]
        Downloads Statusbar 15.2.0 false {d2b7fa3e-d4ed-4355-bda8-ac95888c5bbb}
        Easy Copy 2.7.0 false [email protected]
        Extension Source Explorer 1.1.4 false [email protected]
        HTML5 Media Tuner 1.2.3 false [email protected]
        Open about:config 1.2 false {98a2ae55-3a75-4354-a460-9176594d05c3}
        Pale Moon Locale Switcher 3.0 false [email protected]
        Responsive Bookmarks Toolbar 2.0.1 false [email protected]
        Secret Agent 1.35 false [email protected]
        Show my Password 2.0.1 false {a8d39d11-bb4d-4f0a-a9dd-9ddae0602172}
        Smart Preview for Pale Moon forum 1.3.3 false [email protected]
        Sun Cult 1.3.20150730 false [email protected]
        Tab Counter 1.04 false [email protected]
        Tab Scope false [email protected]
        Tree Style Tabs for Pale Moon 0.0.5 false treestyletabforpm@oinkoink
        ηMatrix 4.4.2 false [email protected]

  16. Jody Thornton said on February 3, 2021 at 3:17 pm

    I never thought a Pale Moon article would give me a good tip on Waterfox. It may be a “new” Pale Moon feature, but it’s an existing Firefox/Waterfox preference. Because you know, “Pale Moon is not Firefox, and will never be Firefox Again!”. (OK I’m paraphrasing)


    I was wondering how to stop accidentally dragging tabs in to a new window (in Waterfox). Now I know.

  17. basicuser said on February 3, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Just updated to 29.0 on W7Pro 64 bit box and Mint 20.1 Cinnamon on USB with no issues. Took about 3 minutes each. Been using Pale Moon for several years mainly because it does not slurp and it’s stable. I also appreciate the rational pace of necessary updates as opposed to the frenetic race between other browsers to have the latest and greatest gizmo, gimmick or shiny thing.

  18. John C. said on February 3, 2021 at 9:29 am

    I use Pale Moon as my main browser and updated it to version 29 (32 bit) yesterday. It’s my main browser precisely because it will run legacy Firefox extensions that I need. I’m willing to put up with slower speed than Firefox as a tradeoff. On the rare occasion that I have difficulties with a website loading and-or functioning improperly, I still have Firefox (the current version) installed. I installed Pale Moon so long ago that I never even noticed there is a 64 bit version. Not sure what the advantage would be, but I’ll give it a try.

  19. Hello said on February 3, 2021 at 5:15 am

    I found the browser a bit laggy the last time I installed it. I guess another try should be given to it. Also, it does supports old extensions for Firefox, right? What such legacy extensions you folks still use?

    1. nn said on February 3, 2021 at 8:49 am
      1. bawldiggle said on February 5, 2021 at 1:15 am

        I have been using Pale Moon since Oct-2011 … and prefer it?
        So what is Pentadactyl for ??

        With a (•-•)<

    2. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 3, 2021 at 8:01 am

      We haven’t “supported” Firefox extensions for years.. But for the moment SOME may work. What we need are people willing to put in a little work for their own interests and for others to revitalize the Add-ons Ecosystem.

      Like Mozilla of old.

  20. Rex said on February 3, 2021 at 2:40 am

    And now expect Firefox legacy extensions that assumed that version 29 = Australis UI (since that was the version of Firefox that introduced it) will break in mysterious ways, and the browser developers will get blamed for not leaving their browser frozen forever so as to support legacy FF extensions that haven’t been updated at the latest since 2017.

    1. owl said on February 3, 2021 at 11:37 pm

      version 29 = Australis UI (since that was the version of Firefox that introduced it)

      Pale Moon uses “Firefox ESR” as a platform, the platform for PaleMoon / 29.0.0 is “Firefox esr 68.0”.
      The Pale Moon version is not linked to the Firefox version.
      Which Firefox platform Pale Moon is using,
      You can find it in “User Agent” in Help> Troubleshooting Information.
      Name Pale Moon
      Version 29.0.0 (64-bit)
      Build ID 20210130123438
      User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.8 Firefox/68.0 PaleMoon/29.0.0

      Pale Moon: Release notes

      1. owl said on February 4, 2021 at 9:40 am

        As a reference:
        Relationship between milestone version and platform (Firefox ESR) in 28 series of “Pale Moon”
        Pale Moon 28.4.0(64bit)
        UserAgent : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; ×64; rv:60.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.1 Firefox/60.9 PaleMoon/28.4.0
        Pale Moon 28.0.0 (64-bit)
        UserAgent : Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:52.9) Gecko/20100101 Goanna/4.1 Firefox/52.9 PaleMoon/28.0.0

        Official announcement about extensions:
        About using Firefox extensions on Pale Moon | Pale Moon forum

      2. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 4, 2021 at 6:18 am

        That isn’t even remotely true. Best get your facts str8.

    2. Iron Heart said on February 3, 2021 at 11:30 am


      You do realize though that browsers can identify themselves differently in their internals compared to how they identify themselves to you, the user – maybe Pale Moon uses 28.18.0 as the internal version number for add-ons to avoid such compatibility issues.

  21. Peterc said on February 2, 2021 at 10:05 pm


    If you use Windows, try the “Open With Edge, IE, Chrome, and More” Pale Moon extension. I use an older, less stripped-down version called “Browser View Plus (PlayLink),” from the same author. It allows me to open any tab that’s not working right in Pale Moon in a different browser with one click of a toolbar button (or at most two clicks, if I want to switch to a different browser from the one I used previously). I end up having to use it a couple/few times a day. The older, fancier version no longer seems to be available on Pale Moon’s extensions site, but my copy still seems to be working fine in Pale Moon 29. I’m guessing the “Open With Edge, etc.” extension works in a very similar way.

    Just to be clear, these are *Windows-only* extensions.

    1. Corky said on February 3, 2021 at 5:50 pm

      Yea, i know about opening in other browsers but for me that sort of defeats the point of avoiding those browsers in the first place, i refuse point blank to even install Google software, IE and Edge are ‘uninstalled’ (at least as much as is possible through supported mechanisms that don’t break things).

      Plus on the odd occasion i boot to Linux it’s just easier to update the browser in that with the profile that’s been used in Windows so trying to maintain two sets of addons, GM scripts, favourites, etc would’ve been more trouble than it was worth.

      1. Peterc said on February 4, 2021 at 9:35 pm

        @Corky: I routinely copied my Pale Moon (and Firefox) profiles back and forth between Linux and Windows, fixing incompatible stuff (like Session Manager session filepaths) with platform-specific user.js scripts (that I obviously *excluded* from copy operations). It seemed to work fine a year ago, but I see from the new page (that New Tobin Paradigm linked to above) that this is not recommended. I never ran into the “last cached download directory” problem mentioned — which as a non-coder I’m probably not smart enough to fix programmatically — but apparently Pale Moon’s download manager no longer recovers gracefully from trying to reading a bad path. I suppose you could set all variable “bad” paths to fixed legal paths in a user.js that you only use for the initial post-copy launch. I plan on running Linux again soon, so I guess I’ll find out, because there’s *no way* I want to have to build a new Pale Moon profile from scratch!

        PS: I keep Google Chrome, Microsoft “Chromium” Edge, Firefox, and Basilisk installed and up to date in case I need them. I used to “need” Chrome to watch Netflix (which was glitchy for me in Firefox), but I recently started using Brave instead. If Brave continues to perform well for me, I may end up uninstalling Google Chrome entirely. Chrome’s covert, CPU-sucking “software reporter” module *really pissed me off* when I first learned of it — and it still does, even now that I’ve disabled it.

  22. Peterc said on February 2, 2021 at 8:28 pm


    In the past, Pale Moon’s developers have recommended backing up your user profile before installing a major “whole-number” version upgrade — i.e, not from 28.x… to 28.y…. but from 28.y to 29.0.0 — in case you need to subsequently downgrade, for example to keep a critical extension working while waiting for it to (hopefully) get forked or fixed. I don’t know that there are any such problems with the move from 28.y to 29.0.0, and I don’t know whether or not 29.0.0 profiles are back-compatible with Pale Moon 28.x, but I’ve had to downgrade for a time in the past because of a critical extension problem — I no longer remember the extension in question or whether the downgrade was from 28 to 27 or 27 to 26 — and it seems like a good precaution now.

    PS: It’s still very early days … er, hours … but I haven’t noticed any new problems in the new version so far. (And yes, I *did* make a fresh backup of my user profile before upgrading.)

    1. New Tobin Paradigm said on February 3, 2021 at 3:50 am

      We have an official document written up on the subject of Profile Migration which takes the place of multiple forum posts obsoleting each other and pertains to the current state of things.


    2. Rex said on February 3, 2021 at 2:38 am

      Profiles are never backward compatible, you can upgrade them in one direction only, so backup before upgrading in case you want to rollback.

    3. Herman Cost said on February 3, 2021 at 1:28 am

      Peter, I handle that problem by simply waiting a week or two before updating (I do the same thing with Firefox which seems to regularly require a quick patch after any kind of serious update). As you probably know, Pale Moon has an active forum where users will let you know if there are any issues involved with the updates.

      1. Peterc said on February 4, 2021 at 8:37 pm

        @Herman Cost: It can take longer than a week or two for incompatible extensions to get reported to the forum, and even longer than that for them to get forked or for a DIY fix to show up. If you’re running a legacy extension that’s truly critical to you, you may well decide you want to roll back and *stay* rolled back for a *while*. That’s when that backed-up user profile will come in handy.

  23. Corky said on February 2, 2021 at 7:05 pm

    Only reason i switched back to FF was due to Pale Moon’s media playback being problematic, IIRC the developer said it wasn’t a focus because an internet browser should be just that and not try to be a media player.

  24. finoderi said on February 2, 2021 at 5:55 pm

    “…the default value of TRUE means means that tabs can be dragged and dropped to create new windows…”

  25. They taking a Gandalf to Orthank! said on February 2, 2021 at 5:35 pm

    PaleMoon is good browser but only for old machines.

    1. m3city said on February 4, 2021 at 3:46 pm

      I have the same observation. Palemoon is noticably faster on old, one/dual core laptop. Is it because multiprocess? Does PM do HW accelerated stuff?

    2. Herman Cost said on February 3, 2021 at 1:24 am

      I have both a new Dell desktop and an older Lenovo laptop, and Pale Moon works just fine on both. I use it as an alternate browser and find it pretty much problem free. Having said that, I would not make it my main browser, since it no longer has as many available add-ons as I would like, and it does seem just a bit sluggish compared to Firefox or Vivaldi (my other alternate browser, which is set to delete all cookies upon exiting). Pale Moon is also pretty much a one man show, so security updates are of necessity a bit behind those of some of the browsers with larger development staffs.

      All in all, I’m glad I have it and hope that it somehow remains viable (unlike Waterfox), but I would not make it my primary browser.

      1. ads-r-us said on February 5, 2021 at 6:40 am

        So is Brave. Brave specializes in ads, hijacking them as a middleman and extorting money sorry I mean shady crypto bats that no one can use unless they give up their anonymity. Your point being?

      2. Iron Heart said on February 5, 2021 at 8:25 am


        Brave is neither owned by, nor does its entire income come from, a single ad company. They are not relying on any specific outside entity to exist. Brave Rewards are opt-in and you can choose to donate them instead of keeping them for yourself – if you decide to keep them for yourself, you are legally required to reveal your identity at Uphold just like you would be with any bank. Also, what does a transfer of BAT, for which you need to reveal your identity, have to do with you getting the BAT while browsing? Nice try, see you later alligator.

      3. ads-r-us said on February 5, 2021 at 5:11 pm

        @ Iron Heart

        Firefox is neither owned by, nor does its entire income come from, a single ad company. Nice try, crocodile

        Brave’s funding is from inserting itself as a middle man for ads, punching the ticket, shaking down networks and extorting money. They didn’t even pass that onto content creators and website owners at one point. Who gets all the unclaimed BAT? Ads on the home screen, stealing links to add referrals, tracking of tor window usage via telemetry. so disgusting.

        stop stealing other peoples’ ads: we work hard to put those there

      4. Iron Heart said on February 6, 2021 at 8:21 am


        > Firefox is neither owned by, nor does its entire income come from, a single ad company. Nice try, crocodile

        Mozilla Corp. (developer of Firefox) receives almost its entire income from Google, the biggest ad company in the world:

        >>Mozilla’s long-term plan is to build its own revenue streams from subscription-based services and reduce its dependence on the Google search deal, which has historically accounted for between 75% and 95% of the organization’s entire yearly budget as far back as 2006 when the two companies began collaborating (with a hiatus between 2014 and 2017, when Mozilla signed a similar agreement with Yahoo).< They didn’t even pass that onto content creators and website owners at one point.

        The case you are referring to merely proves that their fraud detection mechanisms are in fact operational. This “content creator” wanted insane amounts of money that he could never have accumulated naturally.

        > They didn’t even pass that onto content creators and website owners at one point. Who gets all the unclaimed BAT?

        You can’t donate BAT to people who are not registered content creators – so the answer is, if you can’t or don’t want to donate BAT, you get to keep it. Not that I care, I am not even using Brave Rewards – why do you assume every Brave user makes use of this opt-in stuff? Anyway.

        > Ads on the home screen

        Yeah, like any other browser. Firefox has sponsored links on the home screen and occasionally also in the address bar, connecting to some shady proxy for reasons unknown:

        Try again, Sponsored background images can be turned off easily and if you don’t, they make for fairly nice background images. Not a privacy issue at any rate.

        > stealing links to add referrals,

        *Yawn*, old fake news never dies:

        They didn’t “steal” links, you had the option not to choose the referral. If you did choose the referral, the sole difference to the normal link was that you helped Brave get vital funding from Binance. Thanks to the referral being static (i.e., the same for all users) it also was never a privacy issue. You seem to hate it when Brave has non-invasive means of funding, perhaps you like selling out to Google (Mozilla) or selling user data better. I don’t, I prefer the non-invasive referral instead.

        All major browsers are making use of referrals in relation to searches at least, by the way. Firefox or Vivaldi automatically add (and don’t just offer by default, like Brave) static referrals whenever you perform a search in them. If you were an intellectually honest person with an actual purpose that exceeds bashing Brave, you would give this some thought and realize that it is common industry practice and not a privacy issue.

        > tracking of tor window usage via telemetry.

        Brave’s collection of telemetry is minimal compared to other browsers and can be turned off under brave://settings/privacy … Also, they are not monitoring “what” you do in Tor windows, just “that” you use them (just like they monitor the usage of other features), unless you turn it off as mentioned before.

        When you turn Brave’s telemetry off it actually turns it off, unlike some other browsers:

        Brave also doesn’t install out-of-browser system level telemetry, unlike some other browsers:

        As with the “referral” or “home screen ads” issues you raised before, if you criticize Brave for its minimal telemetry while using Firefox with its far more invasive telemetry, I’ll readily call you a hypocrite.

        > stop stealing other peoples’ ads: we work hard to put those there

        So does uBlock Origin, AdBlock Plus or any other adblocker – deprive you of income. With Brave, you at least have the option to register as a content creator for free and claim BAT – you don’t have that option with any other adblocker. Or you switch to a real business model that does not rely on pestering people’s web experience while violating their privacy – your choice.

      5. Iron Heart said on February 6, 2021 at 11:19 am

        Source for Mozilla getting most of its income from Google and the associated quote above:

        Somehow it got swallowed up, so here it is.

      6. Jody Thornton said on February 3, 2021 at 12:25 pm


        How do you find Waterfox not viable?

      7. Herman Cost said on February 3, 2021 at 3:12 pm

        Waterfox is now owned by an advertising company with a problematic history. See:

      8. Iron Heart said on February 3, 2021 at 6:00 pm

        @Herman Cost

        So is Mozilla. Your point being?

      9. m3city said on February 4, 2021 at 9:17 am

        @Iron Heart
        No, Mozilla is not owned by an advertising company. They have a deal with Google.

      10. Iron Heart said on February 4, 2021 at 12:02 pm


        If 90%+ of your income comes from a single deal, you are totally beholden to that deal. People who criticize Waterfox for their relationship to ad companies while using Firefox are pure hypocrites.

      11. DrKnow said on February 5, 2021 at 2:16 am

        @Iron Heart

        Google sponsors Firefox because it knows it has to keep up some semblance of competition in the browser space otherwise they are increasingly open to competition rules in various territories.

        The majority of browsers are based off Google’s browser technology, they NEED to support an alternative without that company being ‘beholden’ to them.

      12. Iron Heart said on February 5, 2021 at 8:29 am


        So you don’t think the Google deal, without which Mozilla hasn’t much of a chance of survival, has no strings attached to it? Why doesn’t the mobile Firefox allow me to disable Google SafeBrowsing anymore, why is a Google Analytics tracker baked in, why do they use Google’s location services instead of their own etc. There is more, but I leave it at that. Yes, they most likely sponsor them because they need “competition”, but there is likely more to it.

        Anyhow, the only point I wanted to make originally is that it is not OK to criticize Waterfox for ties to the ad industry when your own survival depends on Google (and when your own privacy standards are lower than WF). That’s clear cut hypocrisy. That’s all I wanted to say.

      13. m3city said on February 4, 2021 at 3:43 pm

        @Iron Heart
        Still, I have to disagree on the ownership. Waterfox was sold (don’t remember details released by Mr Kontos), while Mozilla has a deal, that could be broken anytime (with consequences naturally, but still.). So it’s not owned as you say. Personally I don’t criticize, I see developer’s arguments valid. Both FF an waterfox its sourcecode, so we can safely assume that anything WRONG happened due to ownership/deal with ad company then somebody would notice, cant we?

      14. Iron Heart said on February 5, 2021 at 8:21 am


        You shouldn’t take everything literally when I am just trying to get a point across. Mozilla is its own legal entity but would die tomorrow without Google life support. When people support them but criticize Waterfox for having ties to the ad industry, I can only laugh at the hypocrisy.

        > Both FF an waterfox its sourcecode, so we can safely assume that anything WRONG happened due to ownership/deal with ad company then somebody would notice, cant we?

        Yes, likely we would see. Anyhow, don’t know about Waterfox, but the bad privacy defaults, not to mention the Google Ad ID & Google Analytics tracker in the mobile version of Firefox are bad enough already, but nobody bat much of an eye. I wouldn’t rely on the public to notice if anything goes south. Just saying.

      15. Jody Thornton said on February 3, 2021 at 3:54 pm

        Oh that. Sure, but Alex still does the primary development. Things have been pretty good in Waterfox land.

    3. Peterc said on February 2, 2021 at 8:06 pm

      @They taking a Gandalf to Orthank!:

      Pale Moon is good only for old machines *because* …?

  26. dns said on February 2, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    Nice. Good to see it still truckin and get exposure.
    Small download, easy to fire up a vm and try if curious. Fast, light, easy.

  27. computer said no said on February 2, 2021 at 4:41 pm

    As a 32bit linux user i am unable to update to new versions of pale moon,But until i upgrade to 64bit i shall bid it farewell and i wish them luck.

    1. llama said on February 19, 2021 at 7:47 pm

      @computer said no
      Look into ArticFox, it’s a fork of Firefox available on multiple platforms including 32-bit linux:
      It was created by a former Pale Moon dev for older hardware and is still being maintained by him independently. It also has limited support for older Pale Moon and Firefox extensions.

    2. Anonymous said on February 2, 2021 at 10:24 pm

      You are going to be wishing everyone farewell if you already aren’t from that weird basement of yours.

      1. Ymousanon said on February 19, 2021 at 8:14 pm

        @Anonymous said on February 2, 2021 at 10:24 pm

        Typical agency agent ridiculing and shaming people pushing them back into the conformist cultural marxist hive minded PC think, there is nothing wrong with 32 bit and it’s not your business why people want to use it.

      2. Anonymous said on April 28, 2021 at 2:13 am

        >Using 32bit
        32bit has been obsolete for over a decade.

      3. Will Willows said on April 28, 2021 at 10:14 pm

        Erm..the reason for 32bit Linux is for computer hardware hobbyists. We know they are old, it’s like fixing up Dad’s old car. The fun is in the fix. Besides, what else you gonna do with that Windoze XP doorstop? Make a Frankenputer.

    3. thebrowser said on February 2, 2021 at 8:58 pm

      If you don’t mind me asking, is there a special reason why you are using a 32 bit system, and distribution are you running?

      1. computer said no said on February 2, 2021 at 9:46 pm

        This 32bit laptop was gifted to me and it seems to work ok..i use xenial puppy linux and it runs fantastic on this laptop.

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