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Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa is now available

Linux Mint 19.1 codename "Tessa" was released on December 19, 2018. The new version of the popular Linux distribution is a Long Term Support release that will receive updates until 2023.  It is based on Ubuntu 18.04.

The Linux distribution is offered as three desktop environments: MATE, Cinnamon and Xfce. The developers of Linux Mint dropped support for the KDE desktop environment last year.

Downloads for all three supported desktop environments are available on the official Linux Mint website. Upgrades from Linux Mint 19.0 to 19.1 will become available at a later point in time.

Devices that run the beta version of Linux Mint 19.1 can be upgraded to the final version right away. It is necessary to install all available updates using the Update Manager and running the command apt install xul-ext-lightning afterward in a terminal window.

Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa

Tessa linux mint 19.1

Release notes have been published for MATE, CINNAMON, and Xfce separately as usually. The release notes highlight known issues and new features among other things.

Here is a short list of important feature additions:

  • The Update Manager lists mainline kernels and their support status. It includes a new button to remove old (unused) kernels.
  • The Software Sources program window has a new look. It uses an Xapp sidebar and a headerbar in the new version of Linux Mint.
  • Language Settings and Input Methods were split into two different applications.
  • Xreader readability improvements.
  • LibXApp features four new widgets:
    • XAppStackSidebar to create icon sidebars.
    • XAppPreferencesWindow offers a multi-page preferences window.
    • XAppIconChooserDialog displays a dialog to choose an icon name or path.
    • XAppIconChooserButton provides a button which shows an icon or an image.
  • The Firewall configuration was added to the First Steps section of the welcome screen.
  • Artwork improvements and new theme variants.
  • Cinnamon 4.0 improvements:
    • Select a desktop layout during First Steps on the welcome screen.
    • New panel layout ships with window list with app grouping and window preview.
    • Nemo file manager is three times faster than before according to the Linux Mint development team.
    • Desktop settings were updated and visual improvements were made to icon sizes and spacing in Nemo.
    • Nemo displays the file creation time on supported file systems.
    • Show or hide thumbnails toggle added.
    • Input lag reduced on systems with NVIDIA graphics cards.
    • VSync can be turned off in the System Settings.
    • Upstream changes from the GNOME project, e.g. Mutter performance improvements.

Existing users should read the changelog of their preferred desktop environments to make sure that they know about any known issue in the release.

Users may experience issues with virtual machines, scanners, touchpad drivers, DVD playback in VLC, or sound and microphones. Workarounds or solutions are provided for most issues.

Now You: What is your take on the new Linux Mint release?

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  1. Anonymous said on December 19, 2018 at 4:50 pm
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    I’ll stay with Ubuntu:too much bloatware that if you get rid of it affects the OS.

    1. John G. said on December 19, 2018 at 5:16 pm
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      I still prefer Linux Mint, it’s solid like a rock. Ubuntu is unable to get the best of any computer.

    2. Malte said on December 19, 2018 at 7:05 pm
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      Both distros are good. I’m on Ubuntu 16.04 but when the support ends, i’ll be switching to Linux Mint because i don’t like Gnome3.

    3. AnonymousDebunker said on December 19, 2018 at 8:41 pm
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      And here you have it ladies and gentleman, fake news from Anonymous, zero facts.

    4. AnonDebunker said on December 19, 2018 at 8:41 pm
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      And there you have it ladies and gentleman, fake news from Anonymous, zero facts.

    5. Rick said on December 19, 2018 at 8:50 pm
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      I prefer Ubuntu too.
      But with dash to panel, it makes Gnome fantastic and the latest Gnome fixes made Gnome fast, it used to be a slow dinosaur.
      They have added a minimal install option which is fantastic and installs only Firefox and LibreOffice.
      Mint is a nice OS, but I prefer to stick with Ubuntu (huge community, faster kernel updates and security fxes than other Ubuntu based OS like Mint, Elementary etc).
      I would stick to an Ubuntu flavour if I wanted not to use Gnome.
      Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Ubuntu Mate are excellent choices.
      Mint is a very good choice though.

  2. Robert said on December 19, 2018 at 6:36 pm
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    It would be nice if Linux Mint fixed their DNS leak that always occurs when using OpenVPN. DNS leaks have plagued my laptop for about two years now and they still have not addressed the bug. Otherwise it is a decent operating system.

    1. GoogleBoy said on December 19, 2018 at 8:47 pm
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      It’s already fixed, it’s not a bug it’s a misconfiguration of OpenVPN.

      http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/

  3. Marcus said on December 19, 2018 at 7:02 pm
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    Let the distro war begin…

  4. Gerard said on December 19, 2018 at 7:30 pm
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    Linux Mint is a terrific Linux distro and a superb operating system imho. Of course, there are other excellent Linux distros as well. In the final analysis it’s all about personal preferences or simply sticking to what works well or a user is accustomed to.

    1. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 8:41 am
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      @Gerard: +1

  5. Anonee said on December 19, 2018 at 10:10 pm
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    Eww gross!
    Just use Arch Linux instead.

    1. Boot the Arch disc
    2. run “pacstrap /mnt base cinnamon”
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    Now you have a superior Linux OS that is rolling release and you still get to use the Cinnamon DE, if that’s your preference.

    1. alex said on December 20, 2018 at 4:03 am
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      You’re not very bright if you don’t understand the need for user friendly distros like Mint. Arch is clunky to install and unstable as hell. Most people don’t have the time to troubleshoot issues after every update. If you do, good for you, but why be the stereotypical nerd sperging out about how 133T you are? It’s embarrassing.

      1. Clairvaux said on December 21, 2018 at 4:53 am
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        Here I need a little guidance. What is to sperge ? Is it derived from the Asperger syndrome, does it mean to behave like a person affected by the condition ? And what is being 133T ? So many questions, so little time.

  6. 420 said on December 20, 2018 at 1:37 am
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    oh if it were only that easy to install arch, lol. manjaro is the way to go, being #1 on distro watch kind of proves it.

    1. DL said on December 20, 2018 at 3:54 am
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      Manjaro is awesome, but distrowatch doesn’t prove anything. Distrowatch counts hits per day on their site (Page Hit Ranking), they have no real world popularity data. Btw, MX Linux is not the second most popular distro. Distrowatch is wrong about that too. For more accurate popularity results Google Trends. Digital Analytics Program (DAP) or AWS EC2 Statistics is the way to go. As the DistroWatch site managers themselves say, “The DistroWatch Page Hit Ranking statistics are a light-hearted way of measuring the popularity of Linux distributions and other free operating systems among the visitors of this website. They correlate neither to usage nor to quality and should not be used to measure the market share of distributions. They simply show the number of times a distribution page on DistroWatch.com was accessed each day, nothing more.”

  7. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 8:46 am
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    Prior to choosing a distro as a switch from Windows, I have been testing a number of distros in VB, incl. Mint 18.3 Mate and Ubuntu. Both seem good & stable, though Mint is more user-friendly for an ex-Win user, Ubuntu is more bloated. Both have an active community, though I find the Mint community more responsive.
    A good competitor for Mint is MX, with the same user-friendliness for ex-Win users. I find MX snappier, and easier to take a deep dive into the file system. I have not made up my mind yet.

    1. 27 said on December 20, 2018 at 11:32 am
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      Linux Mint is more bloated than Ubuntu today. Linux Mint still doesn’t have minimal install.

      1. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 1:27 pm
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        @27: thanks for clearing that up. I don’t recall Ubuntu giving me the option of a minimal install, but if you say it’s there I’ll take your word for it.
        It’s a funny thing that many people recommend Mint for Linux beginners and/or ex-Windows users, but after having tested it for a bit I was not convinced it would be best for me. I then tended towards Ubuntu, and am currently quite involved with MX. I just downloaded Zorin Core following your remark below, so am interested to see how that “grabs me”.

      2. Anonymous said on December 21, 2018 at 12:18 am
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        Stick to systemd-free distros, e.g. MX. You’ll be thanking me later.

      3. Klaas Vaak said on December 21, 2018 at 8:05 am
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        @Anonymous: thanks for the advice. As indicated above I downloaded Zorin, installed it, then started looking at it trying to set up a few settings. What struck me is that the GUI is good, pleasing to the eyes, but it is slow, esp. compared with MX and Mint. I closed Zorin, and my natural move was to open MX. I like the OS more & more; it is not perfect, nothing in the world is, and some things are easier/better in Mint, but my overall experience thus far (~ 2 weeks) is that MX is superior.
        Regarding systemd, I have no opinion about that, but the jury seems to be out on the pros & cons.

      4. Klaas Vaak said on March 26, 2019 at 12:34 pm
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        @Anonymous: what’s wrong with systemd? antiX and MX boast about their being systemd-free. I have been using Mint for 2 months now and have noticed/experienced anything ontoward, though maybe that’s because I don’t know what to look for. So please give me the “griff” on systemd – layman’s terms please.

      5. Supergirl said on March 30, 2019 at 6:02 am
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        Hi Klaas.

        I seem to be subscribed to this post.
        There is a Linux philosophy ‘do 1 thing & do it well”

        System D {which is installed in MX but turned off…
        In case a prg makes a call to it it wont just crash.}

        System D is an octopus that is slowly taking over all sorts of things …which InitV did not do.
        Some Love it Some hate it….Its WAY above my pay grade to know such things.

        I watched a video on it on Youtube but I cant find it..

        There is 1 called ‘The Tragedy of SystemD’ but its 45+ minutes long.

        Maybe you could listen to it while doing something else…

        So how is your Linux experiment going?

      6. Klaas Vaak said on March 30, 2019 at 7:16 am
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        @Supergirl: hey there, nice to hear from you again.
        I am not at all convinced System D is that bad for 1 simple reason: if it were neither Ubuntu nor its children such as Mint would be so popular and stable. And if there were something serious the teams would fix it.

        As for my Linux experiment, it no longer is an experiment, I took the plunge and installed Mint on my laptop on 1st Feb. I was inclined to install MX, but got a bit worried about it being able to detect my Wifi.

        And then, 1 month later my wife’s 2 GB RAM/32 GB hard disk with Win 8.1 installed started to act up in such a way that it was no longer usable, and I could not find a fix. We were ready to ditch it and to buy her a new one, but I had a brainwave: why not install Linux and wipe the disk clean of Windows. So I installed antiX on hers. And guess what …. her laptop is as new again. Wow !! BTW, antiX detected Wifi even easier than Mint.

        I can tell you, it’s been sheer bliss for both of us. No more Windows worries, patches that go wrong and need to be patched themselves if not uninstalled, etc. Not to mention the spying and forced upgrades.

        For all the Windows-based programs I was using there is a Linux version or an acceptable replacement. There are 1 or 2 workarounds to deal with, but they are a more than acceptable compromise given that Windows is out of the picture.

        This is a step I should have taken years ago, but then, better late than never, as the saying goes.

      7. Clairvaux said on March 30, 2019 at 12:49 pm
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        A 32 GB hard disk ? Is that a computer from the Ancient Greeks ?

      8. Klaas Vaak said on March 30, 2019 at 5:57 pm
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        @Clairvaux: have you heard of tablets or hybrids (tablet/laptop)?

      9. Clairvaux said on March 30, 2019 at 6:03 pm
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        Not from you. You didn’t mention that was a tablet, and laptops certainly have way larger drives than that.

        32 GB seems exceedingly tight to run Windows. It’s no wonder qoing from there to Linux made the whatever-thingy run correctly again, but I wouldn’t consider that as a tribute to Linux as opposed to Windows.

      10. Klaas Vaak said on March 31, 2019 at 2:25 pm
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        @Clairvaux: I know laptops have larger drives than that, I have one myself.
        My wife’ computer had Win 8.1/64-bit installed, albeit a version modified by the manufacturer. Maybe it was not perfect, but it certainly ran perfectly for 3 years. M$’s messing around (to put it politely & mildly) with its updates, patches, patches for patches, etc. is probably what screwed it up eventually, rather than the small hard drive. Incidentally, a small hard drive is not unusual, even nowadays.

        I do consider the improvement a tribute to Linux for the simple reason that there is so much choice in Linux distros, incl. the availability of very light, resource-friendly versions. In other words, I was able to find an OS that suited the computer.

      11. Friar Tux said on May 6, 2019 at 1:45 am
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        Klaas, my wife and I have exactly the same story. Only we have been using Linux Mint/Cinnamon for three years, now, and absolutely no issues at all in that time. I did the same as you – tried out a few distro and Mint consistently worked every time.

      12. Klaas Vaak said on May 6, 2019 at 3:08 pm
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        +1 ;-)

      13. JackG said on December 21, 2018 at 6:22 pm
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        Klass, note that ZorinOS 12.4 has LTS until 4-2021, but Mint 19.1 has LTS until 4-2023. Although I like Zorin 12.4 Lite, I’m going to install Mint 19.1 Xfce for that longer support.

        Just something to consider..

      14. Klaas Vaak said on December 21, 2018 at 7:09 pm
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        @JackG: thanks, I was aware of that. I find Zorin core slower than MX, and what kills me is that,after installation (guest on a Windows host via Virtual Box) it refuses me access to folders that I indicated as shared folders. Ths has not happened to me with Mint, Ubuntu, MX, antiX.

  8. supergirl said on December 20, 2018 at 9:03 am
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    Ive never been impressed by Mint…..I put it on & in 2 weeks Ive always replaced it.

    For new users I would recommend Linux Lite…They Actually WANT to help you !!!

    And MX- 16, 17 or 18….16 went on & worked Flawlessly for me & had ALOT to offer.
    Its Easier to use & update than windows. I think the MX series isAWESOME..by far my fave that I have tried.

    Mx-17 isnt as flawless bit its still damn good & impressive.Point & click Kernal management!

    I Just torrented Ubuntu Budgie,MX-18 RC,Zorin12,Mint19.1Tessa Cinnamon to give all of these a new appraisal.

    Zorin 8 or 9 looked really sweet & advanced way back when.but It never seemed to advance much….. put 11 on & there was nothing there.
    Its nice to see some news/action in the Linux Dept here ..LoL

    Thanks Martin

    1. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 9:53 am
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      @supergirl: Zorin is not free, costs something like €19.
      I got the MX lead from you, thank you, and am running 17.1. 3 days ago it froze twice in the same day – no idea why. It’s been fine since, no idea why.

      1. 27 said on December 20, 2018 at 11:29 am
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        Zorin Core and Lite are completely free and it’s the real deal for ex-Windows users. Linux Mint looks like Windows Vista, Zorin looks like Windows 10.

      2. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 1:18 pm
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        @27: thanks for the tip

      3. supergirl said on December 21, 2018 at 10:02 am
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        @ KlaasV

        Well thats great to hear….Im glad some noticed me..LoL

        I suspect that Linux problems are very individually hardware/computer specific.

        I had some odd-ball super sale laptops when I first tired to use Linux.
        One from 2010 & another from 2012…in 2014 the linux kernal wouldnt/couldnt run on these.
        NO Linux worked on either of them…2017 I have had a few different installs on each…

        Go Figure…..

        Im by Nature lazy…I dont want to fiddle with my Computer.
        I want to turn it on & GO go go…
        So,if I praise a distro its easy & it worked great for me.

        I hope you enjoy your new found freedom & security.

      4. dingo said on December 21, 2018 at 8:22 pm
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        2 weeks ago i installed Linux Mint 19 “Tara” on a laptop of a friend. It was Fujitsu from 2006!
        I got no problems. Well, the performence is a little low due the low hardware values, but it works.
        Wlan, printing, touchpad etc., no extra action needed.

  9. Anonymous said on December 20, 2018 at 3:34 pm
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    From my distro-hopping some months ago:
    + Gecko Linux Rolling
    + OBRevenge
    + SparkyLinux
    + SolydXK

    1. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 5:19 pm
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      @Anonymous: so? Are all 4 of those to your liking, do you have a preference, if so why ?

  10. Tyron said on December 20, 2018 at 5:26 pm
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    Just installed the update and it’s great so far. I love the speedier file explorer, and the new layout looks much more modern that the old one. Best of all, no bugs!

    1. Klaas Vaak said on December 20, 2018 at 7:00 pm
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      @Tyron: no problems installing the extension pack? On my side it rejected it, so I am now using VB 6 with EP 5.2.22 :-(

      1. PotatoMint said on December 26, 2018 at 5:35 pm
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        The SSL certificate for the spices website has been expired for months now, meaning we can’t access extensions/applets/desklets.

  11. juan said on December 21, 2018 at 12:20 am
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    Splendid work of this version, debugged work with the file manager now flies.
    Also it has been solved the support that was brilliant in 18.3 of nividia hybrids intel, works perfectly being recommendable to install them via repository of nvidia ppa: graphics-drivers.

    I recommend v 390.87 and install the driver outside the graphical environment cntrol + alt + f1 acces as root and
    apt-get install nvidia-driver-390 and then reboot.

    In the reboot you will not enter, idem crtl + alt + f1 and sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings and reboot.

    We go out again and finally sudo apt-get install nvidia -prime and reboot.

    Now in the boot you will already enter your mint with the hybrid functionality intel or nividia, remember that when you select a graphic either intel or nvidia you have to restart the system.
    Simplicity absolutely customizable interface to incredible details.

    Recomended theme macbuntu transformation pack for 18.04 full supported in mint 19.1 , themes for cinnamon mate etc dock planck etc i, yes fan mac theme desktop

    Excellent and very easy performance.
    I love the freedom and the speed of the system of updates you choose your levels of update and they are seconds to update, nothing to do with windows and their updates murderers.

    Merry Christmas to all !

  12. dingo said on December 21, 2018 at 1:57 am
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    The are some articles about Telemetry data collecting and forwarding to Canonical since the Ubuntu version 18.04.
    My English is a little poor so i use the https://www.deepl.com/translator to translate some quotes of the German articles:

    “Now Canonical wants to know more about the hardware and software that Ubuntu users are running. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS “Bionic Beaver” will include a search tool that collects data and transmits it to Canonical.
    This is to be presented to the user during the installation in the form of a checkbox. The checkbox is activated by default, which means that data is collected without asking the user. The user can opt-out of the data collection during installation and later in the GNOME settings under Privacy.

    The data to be collected includes detailed information about the hardware used, the duration of the installation, and the geodata specified. Canonical also wants to know if third party software is being installed and if the system is being updated during the installation. In addition, the Debian-known package Popcon is included, which collects information about which packages are installed and how often. Apport should be configured to automatically send information about crashes. Cooke stresses that IP addresses will never be sent. The results will be published. Canonical intends to adapt its privacy policy accordingly.”
    https://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/25608/canonical-will-daten-zu-hard-und-software-der-anwender-sammeln.html

    And here you can read an analysis and comparison about Ubuntu and data protection/security:
    https://linuxnews.de/2018/04/ubuntu-und-der-datenschutz/

    However.
    If Canonical want to know all these things, so why opt-out? It would be more fair to provide opt-in.
    But that doesn’t change anything for me. Because when i want to switch from Windows to Linux, one of the imported reasons would be NOT to deal, to fight on Linux with such data protection problems as at Windows (10).
    So for this reason (Canonicals philosophy) Ubuntu would not be my first choice from all Linux distributions.

    If this topic has been discussed in the past here on ghacks so sorry for the repetition – this is my first comment on ghacks.

    1. supergirl said on December 21, 2018 at 10:12 am
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      @ dingo

      Thank you good to know….Valuable information.

    2. Mark said on December 22, 2018 at 3:05 am
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      You are confusing telemetry with error repoting. It’s not the same thing.
      Telemetry has been very well monitored by many sites and individuals. There is no IP adress sent to Canonical or any data that link to a specific user.
      It’s all hardware data and nothing more, released on public, and comparing it with Windows which has no real choice to opt-out and gathers personal data is just wrong.
      It’s telemetry done right and for a good cause, the opposite of Windows.
      About error reporting, all debian based distros do the same, including Linux Mint, you can choose not to send error reports. And no, Debian is not a spyware.

  13. Laurent Paris said on December 22, 2018 at 10:12 am
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    Cinnamon speed improvement and file creation date are welcome improvements. Hopefully installation won’t be as buggy as with Tara on some PCs.

    Mint is definitely the safest choice when migrating from Windows but you’ll still often have to look for instructions online for basic stuff and copy/paste lots of commands in terminal…
    Simple GUI installers still seem like a foreign notion to software developers for Linux. Even Wine, of all things, was a pain to install in the last version.

    But given the direction Windows is taking, it’s still the best option afaic.

  14. Klaas Vaak said on December 22, 2018 at 12:37 pm
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    @Laurent Paris: you stated: “Mint is definitely the safest choice when migrating from Windows ….”
    That is quite a sweeping statement. I don’t know how many distros you know or have tried, but AFAIAC, MX is *at least* as good Mint for an ex-Win/Linux newbie, it might even be better (I am still evaluating & testing), and it is definitely a lot less bloated than Mint.

    1. Michael said on December 23, 2018 at 5:36 pm
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      I’ve been exclusively Arch/Manjaro for six years on most of my machines, except for an old 32-bit laptop that runs AntiX, which is the lightweight counterpart of MX. I recently installed the newly-released MX 18 on a multi-boot system and, like you, I find myself booting into it on a more and more frequent basis. If Manjaro didn’t exist, MX/AntiX would definitely be my go-to distro(s). Besides the awesome set of MX Tools, I appreciate the Debian base, the non-Systemd init system, and the convenient availability of many up-to-date applications. In a way, MX is a semi-rolling system with a rock-solid Debian stable base.

      If I have to run a Ubuntu-based system, I go with Peppermint OS. They also offer a lot of homegrown configuration tools, and the Ice SSB app is really cool.

      1. Klaas Vaak said on December 23, 2018 at 8:05 pm
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        @Michael: if you like MX, what is the rationale for sticking to Manjaro? Question of evaluating MX a bit more before you make the move?

      2. Michael said on December 23, 2018 at 11:21 pm
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        @Klaas: For me, the Arch system (on which Manjaro is based) with its Pacman package manager, its Arch User Repository (AUR), its rolling release model that ensures the latest version of everything, and its elegant, streamlined command line structure — is something I can’t imagine living without. I’ve been on Manjaro’s testing branch for four years and almost never experience breakages. Manjaro also adds a ton of homegrown tools that make life easier, foremost of which is the MHWD CLI tool that makes installing/removing kernels and chroot-ing into neighboring partitions a breeze. With Arch/Manjaro, I don’t have to go out hunting for PPA’s or unofficial repositories, since virtually everything I could ever want is already in the official or AUR repos.

        If MX had an Arch back-end instead of Debian, I may be tempted to stray from Manjaro.

    2. carmicheals said on December 25, 2018 at 4:57 pm
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      @Klaas Vaak I am a recent MX convert after years of distro-hopping, and I am in agreement. It just works, and has become my go-to distro. Great for older boxes and Linux newbies, but not limiting if you’re a tinkerer.

      1. Klaas Vaak said on December 25, 2018 at 5:50 pm
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        @carmicheals: +1

  15. Klaas Vaak said on December 24, 2018 at 1:32 pm
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    @Michael: you have now piqued my interest in Manjaro. I understand from comments I read elsewhere that Arch is not for beginners, so I’ll probably let Manjaro go eventually, but not until I have had a look. Thanks for your feedback.

    1. Michael said on December 25, 2018 at 5:52 am
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      @Klaas: Arch may not be for beginners, but for someone who is willing to follow release announcements, engage “experts” on the forum, research the Arch/Manjaro Wikis and otherwise push beyond the comfort zone, Manjaro is a great way to take advantage of the Arch ecosystem. Lots of people start with one of the Ubuntus, bounce around Debian and RPM-based distros (like OpenSUSE, Fedora, PCLinuxOS) for a while, and then are naturally led to give either Manjaro or something like Antergos a try. The Linux world is definitely blessed with an overabundance of choices…. Have a Merry Christmas!

      1. Klaas Vaak said on December 25, 2018 at 7:30 am
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        @Michael: thanks for that explanation Michael. Have a Merry Xmas too !!

  16. Clairvaux said on December 25, 2018 at 12:38 pm
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    I have a question for you Linux guys. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of your lives testing distributions one against the other, and discussing which is the best. (Incidentally, I’m wondering whether this is not a significant part of the fun of using Linux.)

    How do you manage learning and unlearning dozens of different user interfaces, sets of commands, etc, on the OS level, on top of doing that on the application level, and of doing whatever you’re doing with your computers — that is, if you’re doing anything at all with them ?

    1. Klaas Vaak said on December 25, 2018 at 12:50 pm
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      @Clairvaux: the way you have formulated your question it seems to me that whatever explanation you would get you would reject because their is ridicule, if not sarcasm in your question.

      In other words, does it really matter to you why people use, play around with or tinker with Linux? If you are really interested in it, why?

      1. Clairvaux said on December 25, 2018 at 1:38 pm
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        Don’t be that defensive, Klaas. You should know me by now. When I ask a question, it’s because I am sincerely interested to know the answer. And the reason is obvious : like everybody else, I’ve been considering the switch from Windows to Linux.

        Also, if you absolutely need to find innuendo in my writings, do the full search, and find the praise just next to good old-fashioned irony. Calling it sarcasm just misses the mark. If Linux fans don’t get it that their mores attract irony, they need to loosen up a bit.

        I don’t exclude myself from it. Linuxists love to compare distros, I love to compare application software, as should be obvious from my comments. I’m just wondering about that extra layer. What is it about people getting their knickers in a twist, nowadays, as soon as some irony is added to the broth ?

      2. Klaas Vaak said on December 25, 2018 at 3:45 pm
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        @Clairvaux: I am also fooling around a bit to see how far I can go to tickle you;-)
        Anyway, I have more or less to make the switch from Windows to Linux, but have not decided for what, how, and when. To answer your original question somewhat: I installed Virtual Box, which I think is a great program. I use it to try out Linux distros (how user-friendly they are, how light/heavy, how fast, what programs do they offer natively, what are others’ opinions, …).

        Some distros are obviously not my cup of tea from the moment I open them, others aren’t after having experimented a bit. For now my inclination is to settle for MX, but my decision has not been taken yet. I have to refrain myself a bit not to rush it because I can’t wait to ditch Windows.

    2. supergirl said on December 26, 2018 at 8:55 am
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      @ Clairvaux Hi & Merry Christmas!

      Your question is more than reasonable!
      I Never intenede to be whats called a ‘distro-hopper’

      For me the Requirements are :
      1) Has to work on my hardware
      2) has to be easy to use or make sense to me.
      3) Has to be reasonalbyquick on that hardware.

      I have 4 laptops & a desktop to expiriment with so thats how I roll..LoL
      originally I was searching for that 1 perfect,best fit Linux for me.
      But,The slower laptops needed a lighter desktop system.

      that nauseating fiasco that was windows 8 desktop … that was originally an Ubuntu idea..
      Unity desktop.. it ALSO Spied on users!!!!! Heres abit of my story on the Linux trail.

      At first 2013-14 kernal didnt accept my hardware
      Later (PCLinuxOS) worked but was confusing {apt-get package manager is NOT intuitive to use.}

      LXLE was working & very quick & gorgeous, but due to my in-experience I fouled up 3 installs
      before I learned what NOT to fiddle with.<—Good reason to have a secondary unit to 'play' with.
      Next edition of LXLE they changed too much & it was balky & difficult to use.

      Part 1

    3. supergirl said on December 26, 2018 at 9:08 am
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      There is one Desktop-Environment called KDE that is so heavy that nothing I have will run it fast enough to suit me.
      When I press a button or do anything I expect instant results….Yes im Impatient.
      You can see how MS windows was frustrating for me.

      These are consider Light D-Es LXDE soon to be redone as LXQT, XFCE
      heavier are Cinnamon & MATE pronounced {Mah-TAY} theres also something called Gnome.

      then ther is the base install…Flavor of linux, pretty much everything I use is Debian
      started by a man named Ian whose GF was ummm Deb..LoL

      This flavor of Linux is cautious & VERY reliable but the original Debian does not cater to N00bs!!!!
      So a company called Canonical git uo some cash & started Ubuntu to simplify it all & make an OS
      for cheap 3rd world computers.
      the Mint people saw this & said we can do better….more complete & even easier….
      A british company took free Ubuntu & said we Also can do better & can sell our upscaled version.
      Later a New Zealander said I can do even better at teaching them n00bs linux & created Linux lite
      I think they & my MX-17 have videos & tutorials on there websites.
      I Learned bout MX-16 from some guy with a southern drawlly twang in his voice on Youtube !!!!

      Arch & {now} Fedora Are more Capable & cutting-edge distros that are not for a Rank beginner such as myself.
      Pretty much HAVE to know CLI or be willing to struggle with it…Im Not..LoL
      99.9% of Everything I do is point & click. I surf the net,watch youtube, ummm

      *whispers*
      download TV shows & movies from websites.

      You Know the fun stuff….
      I will GLADLY assist any and ALl who wish to try Linux but..Im not a healthy person.
      So I cant promise the world.
      a good place to see what what with the linuxes is http://www.distrowatch.org

      the long list on the right is a page hit counter that shows how many hits each distro is getting on the site. It has nothing to do with installs on comps.

      Part2 & finale for now.

      1. Thomas said on April 19, 2019 at 1:37 pm
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        Hi supergirl! Maybe you (or someone else with experience) can answer the question: what is the exact difference between Mint Cinnamon 18.1 and Mint XFCE 18.1 (apart from XFCE being lighter on resources)? What does Mint Cinnamon 18.1 have, or do, that Mint XFCE 18.1 cannot?

        I have a Pentium 4, 4GB RAM desktop computer, ex-win XP, and all I’m being told on various websites is to run Mint XFCE 18.1 64-bit, even though Mint Cinnamon 18.1 64-bit seems to run fine for me off the live-cd. Can I install Mint Cinnamon 18.1 64-bit on these specs?

        What specs is considered an “old computer”? A lot of websites seems to point that 2GB RAM is an “old computer”, but what happens, as in my own case, when I have more RAM (4 GB installed – Win XP only notices 3 GB RAM however )?

        Can you or someone please advise with your own experiences?

        Many thanks.

      2. S. G. said on April 24, 2019 at 8:05 am
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        Hi Thomas,
        As far as I know they are all pretty similar if you have a preference for one or the other use it.
        Hay, if it works … do it!

        I have only installed to dual core & quad core systems… so I have no recommendations for a P4.

        I wish you luck & hope linux serves you well in your future endeavors.

        Im really mostly a noob myself. I only dig when I have a problem or NEED to know more..LoL

    4. Michael said on December 27, 2018 at 4:22 pm
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      @Clairvaux: “How do you manage learning and unlearning dozens of different user interfaces, sets of commands, etc, on the OS level, on top of doing that on the application level, and of doing whatever you’re doing with your computers — that is, if you’re doing anything at all with them ?”

      I get bored looking at the same desktop environment every day, so when I fire up a computer I’m met with a GRUB menu that allows me to choose from various installed systems. I’ve tried pretty much all of them in Linux Land and have slowly reduced them down to (in descending order of preference) XFCE, KDE, OpenBox, i3, LXQt and LXDE. At varying times I’ve tried Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate and Budgie, but those didn’t make the cut. I always enjoyed the challenge of learning how to configure each desktop environment or window manager, such that eventually I realized that I’d pretty much gained a new set of knowledge.

      Years ago I distro-hopped to feed my hunger to know what’s out there, and it felt natural to give different distros a chance to prove themselves. Every time I thought I’d found a Linux “home,” another distro would pop up and I’d go through a new set of evaluations. Eventually I landed on Manjaro and haven’t felt the need to hop any more — although I do occasionally install something on VirtualBox out of curiosity. I recently bought a new high-spec (for me) laptop and now have 1.5TB’s of hard drive space, so I dedicated a couple partitions to testing other distributions on bare metal — but Manjaro is still The One for me….

  17. PotatoMint said on December 25, 2018 at 7:57 pm
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    User here. I run it on a potato laptop and was about to switch distros because the default Nemo file explorer was running too slow and had some icon display issues. Cinammon is not that great on potatos either and I hear MATE is rock solid and very efficient. This update has fixed everything, Nemo is now probably the best basic visual file explorer for nix variants. Although I still use DoubleCommander for batch renaming. Cinammon has more dark themes now and integrates better with other GTK apps. BUT we still can’t access the spices extensions/applets/desklets because somebody forgot to update the SSL certificate, I am lucky I already had the setup I wanted but other people have been left hanging for months now. Really dropped the ball there.

  18. Thomas said on April 19, 2019 at 11:02 am
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    Can someone please tell what exactly are the differences between Mint Cinnamon and XFCE? I know XFCE is lighter, but Mint version 18.1 of both flavours work on a Pentium 4, 4GB RAM, ex-Win XP computer, yet all I read on the Internet is: “You need XFCE for this type of PC”. Why? Why can I not use Mint Cinnamon 18.1 if it seems to work fine off the live-cd?

    What exactly does Mint Cinnamon have, or do, that Mint XFCE cannot? It’s not exactly defined.

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