Here is the first mockup screenshot of Firefox 57’s new design

Mozilla plans to make Firefox 57 a milestone release by introducing major changes to the web browser when the version is released.

We talked about those in the past already; most notable probably is the focus on WebExtensions in Firefox 57. Classic add-ons will stop working at that time, as they are no longer supported in the stable version of the web browser.

If things turn out well, Firefox 57 will also be the version of Firefox that ships with a first version of Quantum. Quantum bits will replace their equivalent in the Gecko engine. It is all about parallelism and modern hardware, and it includes components adopted from the Servo project.

What it means for users is that Firefox will get a speed boost when compared to the browser's current engine Gecko.

Note: Firefox 57 is the release target for these changes. There is still a chance that things may be delayed along the way, so that they land in a later stable version of Firefox.

Firefox 57: new Firefox theme

firefox photon design

Along with those major changes comes a design refresh that runs under the codename Photon currently.

Veteran Firefox users may remember the last time Mozilla changed the theme for Firefox. The Australis theme for Firefox 29 was controversial for a number of reasons. Some users thought that it looked too much like Google Chrome, others disliked that customization features were removed when the theme launched that were part of Firefox for years.

Users who did not like the design installed extensions like Classic Theme Restorer to restore most of the classic Firefox after the Australis launch.

The new Firefox design that Mozilla plans to make the default in Firefox 57 has not been revealed officially yet. But, it was revealed unofficially in a a Firefox Screenshot mockup that revealed the functionality.

Note: Mockup means that things may, and probably will, change before release. What you see is not the final product.

Probably the biggest change in the new theme is related to tabs in the browser. Mozilla launched curved tabs in Australis, and plans to make tabs squared in Firefox 57. These tabs are full squares, whereas pre-Australis tabs used had rounded edges.

The mockup shows no search bar, and the address bar is centered on the main toolbar. While this could mean that Mozilla will hide the search bar by default, it is too early to conclude that or anything else related to the design.

Another change that is visible on the mockup is that back, forward and reload buttons are visible on the left side of the main toolbar.

firefox current design

If you look at Firefox's current design, you will notice that the forward button is only displayed when it can be used (meaning when you can go forward in history), and that the reload button is attached to the right of the address field.

Here is how Google Chrome's design looks currently. The tab design looks different, and the placement of the address bar as well if Mozilla plans to keep the address bar centered in the interface of the browser.

chrome current design

The button placement on the left of the main toolbar is identical, with the exception of the home button that the mockup of the new Firefox 57 design shows as the home button is missing in Chrome.


Things will get clearer in the next couple of months. Right now, questions may come up that cannot be answered right now:

  1. What is the status of the search bar? Will it be visible by default, hidden for new users?
  2. What modifications are supported by default? Can icons still be moved around?
  3. Classic Theme Restorer is dead. Will there be something similarly available to modify the interface beyond what Mozilla makes available? E.g. tabs on bottom and not top.
  4. How capable is the theme API when Firefox 57 is released?

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  1. John P March 24, 2017 at 7:41 am #

    >We can be *Brave* too.

    Speaking of it, why don't you do a review of Brave Martin? I use it on Android and it's the best privacy conscious browser out of the box without messing with the settings.

  2. ShintoPlasm March 24, 2017 at 7:42 am #

    So any idea where the 'close tab' button is placed? Have they gone down the Opera route for Mac (where the close button is integrated with the favicon)? One of my biggest annoyances with FF and Chrome on Mac is the close button on the right - which is incongruous with Apple design guidelines. Only Opera does it right...

    • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 8:15 am #

      Please not. Close buttons on the left are annoying (in my opinion). And I use a lot of apps on macOS with close buttons on the right, that's not Firefox or Chrome specific.

      • ShintoPlasm March 24, 2017 at 10:48 am #

        Which apps did you have in mind, Soeren? I honestly can't think of many macOS which have the close buttons there.

      • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 11:10 am #

        Firefox, Chrome, Sublime, FileZilla, … I am not at home, so I can't check more applications. ;)

      • Anonymous March 24, 2017 at 4:45 pm #

        middle mouse button?
        does mac os even support this?

        works on a lot of windows applications, it's a very globally used shortcut

      • jern March 27, 2017 at 11:47 pm #

        I'm looking at Firefox on an iMac and the buttons are on the left.

        Yup, MacOS supports the middle finger.

    • Heimen Stoffels March 24, 2017 at 10:36 am #

      Opera isn't the only one doing it right, FYI.

    • Alex March 24, 2017 at 12:01 pm #

      I use windows and linux so using different OS's might be why we differ but I prefer them on the right, the oppisite side to the favicon. Just makes sense to me but like i said, it might be because i use windows and linux.

    • MdN March 24, 2017 at 12:29 pm #

      I have "close tab" button on the left right now. You can do it with the Stylish add-on and a user script, or by adding the code to userChrome.css. The script is called: "Firefox: Combined favicon and close button". Works on Linux, should work on Mac too.
      Only Vivaldi has an option to choose between left and right. I hope Firefox will have that option too, but I'm not holding my breath.

      • ShintoPlasm March 24, 2017 at 2:57 pm #

        Thanks MdN - it works perfectly with Stylish (hopefully that will survive the move to WebExtensions!). What's the code to be added to userChrome.css?

      • MdN March 24, 2017 at 3:25 pm #

        It's the same code as the script, you just copy/paste/save it as a text file and rename to userChrome.css - I had a small issue where text would move when I place my cursor over the favicon and had to edit the second value in the line "Hide the close button initially". Does the same thing except you don't need Stylish.

  3. Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 8:13 am #

    > What is the status of the search bar? Will it be visible by default, hidden for new users?

    I don't know what the status of the search bar will be in Firefox 57+, but there was also no search bar in a lot of the Australis mockups and the search bar is still visible. With the integration of the search icons in the adress bar and the centered url bar I THINK there will be no longer a search bar, at least per default. But as I said, I don't know that.

    > What modifications are supported by default? Can icons still be moved around?

    I am pretty sure that moving the toolbar icons will still be possible. There are at least no public bugzilla tickets or mailing list discussions saying something different. And there are no reasons to do so. ;)

    > Classic Theme Restorer is dead. Will there be something similarly available to modify the interface beyond what Mozilla makes available? E.g. tabs on bottom and not top.

    You don't need an add-on to move the position of the tabs. That's an one liner in the userChrome.css, you only have to change the moz-box-ordinal-group to another value.

    Something "similar" to CTR will be available, I am sure. Maybe from the same developer? ;) Of cource CTR offers a lot of options which will not be possible in Firefox 57+. For example, you can't replace the Firefox menu. But with the new theming API an add-on could do some other interesting things with the interface. Maybe a dynamic theme builder. Let the user change colors of tabs, change icons and so on. Or change the user interface in dependence from the time or the wheather. That should be possible with the new API.

    • Denro March 26, 2017 at 1:31 am #

      I prefer Firefox's current theme for the address bar and the icons in there. It's good if icon appearance can be modified, assuming they can still be moved around and removed at will.

      Do you know which part of Quantum is to be expected for Firefox 57 release ?

      If it's a noticeable part, then it justifies the tough timeline for removal of legacy add-ons. Those would break widely with Quantum.

      • Sören Hentzschel March 26, 2017 at 8:39 am #

        > Do you know which part of Quantum is to be expected for Firefox 57 release ?
        > If it's a noticeable part, then it justifies the tough timeline for removal of legacy add-ons. Those would break widely with Quantum.

        Please see the dependencies of That's a noticeable part of Quantum. ;)

      • Denro March 26, 2017 at 6:27 pm #

        You mean the MVP contains webRender, Stylo, Quantum DOM and all the jazz ?

        Oh right, taken from another Ghacks article linked by the current one:
        > The components that will likely make it into Firefox in 2017 are parallel layout, parallel styling, WebRender, and Constellation.

        Well, somehow I didn't expect more than the GPU process in Firefox 57. If all of this is released that day and is as fast as we could hope based on Servo demos, then yay :)

  4. Chris March 24, 2017 at 8:52 am #

    Mozilla: Driving users away from Firefox since 2012 by getting 100% behind bad decisions.

    • HK-Rapper March 25, 2017 at 12:36 am #

      I miss Brendan Eich, actual good guy who could code. Mozilla drove him out, because of his private opinions unrelated to the company. Shout-out to all the good devs who made Mozilla great before the downfall.

    • Denro March 26, 2017 at 1:33 am #

      Yeah because Quantum is a terrible decision. (NOT.)

  5. Yuliya March 24, 2017 at 10:24 am #

    Oh ffs they're moving the bookmarks star again :( The current implementation is trash, but I've gotten used to it. And what's the rest of that cr.p in the toolbar? I don't need "home" shortcut, to cut whatever that icon is supposed to cut, reader and all the other nonsense. I feel like I'm constantly fighting this browser to remove the useless features they keep adding. I even have to run a bat file with some del commands to remove all the system extensions, including the malware known as Pocket, and some other exe files that have no place in a browser, after every update.

    At least the tabs are now squared again. Took them long enough to realise the rounded "Australis" ones look awful. Just modify the dev theme, make it appeal more to regular average Joe kind of users and leave the rest untouched:
    imgur com/8U932VG
    I realise that at least the dark one might not appeal to everyone, and the light one is quite ugly..

    • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 10:30 am #

      > I don't need "home" shortcut, to cut whatever that icon is supposed to cut, reader and all the other nonsense.

      You know that you can remove toolbar icons? It was always possible…

      The "cut icon" is the icon of "Firefox Screenshots".

      > including the malware known as Pocket

      Pocket is malware? I would love to see a source for your statement! It's only malware because you don't use it? Pocket has a few million happy users. And Pocket is owned by Mozilla, so it makes sense to include it, not?

      > At least the tabs are now squared again.

      You don't have to wait, you can already enable squared tabs in Firefox 53 (enable the compact theme).

      • Heimen Stoffels March 24, 2017 at 10:40 am #

        I agree that Pocket isn't malware, but just stating that it's owned by Mozilla doesn't justify inclusion. In that case, why didn't Mozilla integrate Thunderbird within Firefox when Thunderbird was still a Mozilla product? And why doesn't FF integrate Mozilla Webmaker tools? And... well, I can name various other examples. Bottom line: owning something doesn't mean it should be included. Period.

      • Yuliya March 24, 2017 at 10:48 am #

        Sören Hentzschel,
        >You know that you can remove toolbar icons? It was always possible…
        Will it be after XUL removal? Since I think that's the UI we're going to be left with after this happens. I hope so.

        >Firefox Screenshots
        So screenshot --fullpage and maybe some manipulation afterwards in any image editor. Do they plan to remove dev tools? I hope not.. I use it almost on a daily basis.

        >Pocket is malware?
        An internet service that I was not asked for before it got into my computer. Pretty much yeah. Everything that gets installed without my permission is malware especially if it's got internet capabilities. There's no check box as of Firefox 52.0.1 during install for me to opt out of it; and neither was any the first time it got implemented into browser. And yeah, I'm aware that initially some genius at Mozilla came with the idea of implementing it directly into the browser rather as a system extension. Had to dive into about config to neuter it.

      • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 11:00 am #

        @Heimen Stoffels:

        > In that case, why didn't Mozilla integrate Thunderbird within Firefox when Thunderbird was still a Mozilla product?

        Thunderbird is an application, not a feature. You can integrate a feature like Pocket in Firefox, but not an whole application like Thunderbird. If you want a mail component in Firefox (in other words: if you want a SeaMonkey) you can integrate a mail component but not Thunderbird as application. And Thunderbird is a community project, Pocket is not a community project. Thunderbird is not developed by paid developers from Mozilla.

        > And why doesn't FF integrate Mozilla Webmaker tools?

        Mozilla should integrate a website or an Android app in desktop Firefox? I don't think that your question does make sense. :/

      • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 11:06 am #

        @Yuliya :

        > Will it be after XUL removal? Since I think that's the UI we're going to be left with after this happens. I hope so.

        There is no timeline for XUL removal. And no, the depreaction of XUL add-ons does not mean a removal of XUL from Firefox. That's another story and far away, Firefox depends a lot of XUL.

        > So screenshot --fullpage and maybe some manipulation afterwards in any image editor. Do they plan to remove dev tools? I hope not.. I use it almost on a daily basis.

        "Firefox Screenshots" is known as "Page Shot" as Test Pilot experiment. Mozilla plans to make the dev tools as system add-on in the future, easy to disable (or the other way, to enable, I don't know).

        > An internet service that I was not asked for before it got into my computer.

        There is no service on your computer. The pocket integration is not more than a button and a panel which loads a website. You have to login with your account to do anything useful with it.

        > Everything that gets installed without my permission is malware

        You installed Firefox. There was never in any browser a prompt if the browser is allowed to install all the thousands of features.

      • Yuliya March 24, 2017 at 11:26 am #

        Sören Hentzschel,
        >The pocket integration is not more than a button and a panel which loads a website
        I somehow doubt. I's quite a large extension to be just a panel that loads a website. I have no desire to experiment with it at this point, to find out what it actually does on its own, let alone inspecting packets sent/received while that thing is running.

        >You installed Firefox
        Yes, version 3,6 if I remember correctly. And then it got updated to 4, and 5 and so on. At some point Mozilla decided to install something alongside the Firefox I had installed though. I wasn't asked if I agree with the service, let alone making a choice whether I want it installed, or not. Hell, a choice something along the lines "Mozilla wants to install this on your PC, keep Firefox or uninstall the whole browser?" would have made things a lot nicer. At least I would have been to one who made the choice to have it installed.

        I don't think alteration of a product in such a way AFTER the user had agreed to install it should be endorsed or accepted in any way. It's just bad practice, regardless of the company behind the said product, whether it's non-profit or not.

      • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 12:20 pm #

        >>> The pocket integration is not more than a button and a panel which loads a website
        > I somehow doubt. I's quite a large extension to be just a panel that loads a website. I have no desire to experiment with it at this point, to find out what it actually does on its own, let alone inspecting packets sent/received while that thing is running.

        It's not really more than that. It also adds a context menu entry and a button in the reader mode. But the Pockert system add-on only contains user interface components. And, of cource, no data are sent to Pocket if you are not a user of Pocket. If you don't use Pocket, just remove the icon from the toolbar - then also all the other integration points disappears.

        > Yes, version 3,6 if I remember correctly. And then it got updated to 4, and 5 and so on. At some point Mozilla decided to install something alongside the Firefox I had installed though.

        Almost every software gets new features with updates, there is nothing special. And the maintenance service is not more than an application helper for installing Firefox updates. There is nothing wrong with it. Sorry, but to improve the product's updates is no reason to uninstall a software. Firefox is a browser. Browser updates are one of the most important parts of web security.

      • Yuliya March 24, 2017 at 7:50 pm #

        Sören Hentzschel,
        >It's not really more than that. It also adds a context menu entry and a button in the reader mode
        At this point we will inch towards pinging on every start or who knows what data being sent to pocket's servers. Great. Many times I've been told that feature X or feature Y does nothing unless I interact with it and it just sist and idles in background, until I tested myself and discovered otherwise. At this point I won't bother with Pocket, does not worth anymore.

        >If you don't use Pocket, just remove the icon from the toolbar
        You don't just take all the dust, hide it underneath the carpet and say that you've cleaned your room, do you?

        >Almost every software gets new features with updates, there is nothing special
        No, you are wrong. This is not a feature, it's a service with different TOS compared to Firefox which was installed on my PC without me having the opportunity to review its TOS and decide whether or not I want to agree with. It happened the same woth loop, another atrocity that no one used it or have asked for it in the first place. If you decide to change your TOS or boundle other services which imly different agreements than the ones already etablished make it clear and prompt me on change. I may not agree with the change and probably would like to opt out altogether in using any of your products.

        Honesty and giving me the choice is all I'm asking for.

  6. karlo2105 March 24, 2017 at 10:56 am #

    Will it still be possible to display standard menu bar as of (File, Edit, Display, History, Bookmarks, Tools) above main toolbar and personal bar below?
    Since the beginning I use personal bar as address bar which gives me full address display.
    So i use two bars on top. I don't like to stick too many things together on the same line that's why I am two top bars user.
    And on the bottom, I use status bar with addon icons.

    • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 12:23 pm #

      I don't know for sure, but I think so. On macOS there is ALWAYS a menu bar, so if Mozilla don't want to show an empty menu bar (looks like an error) they have to offer a menu bar for Mac users. And if they have to offer a menu bar for Mac users I don't see a reason to not offer a (optional) menu bar to users of other operating systems. :P

    • March 28, 2017 at 7:52 am #

      >Will it still be possible to display standard menu bar as of (File, Edit, Display, History, Bookmarks, Tools) above main toolbar and personal bar below?

      Yup, I need that too.

  7. Julien March 24, 2017 at 11:22 am #

    I will give importance to that kind of screenshots the day it will become official.
    There are too many questions that remain unanswered for now... :)

  8. marius March 24, 2017 at 11:27 am #

    I hate that f****ing big back button,they still promote that design like it's a gift from gods!

  9. Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 12:18 pm #

    So Mozilla is perhaps inserting square tabs again? Would be at least a beginning. But asshole developers still stay asshole developers, especially if they are shitting on their Open Source power user heritage.

    Square tabs would be one positive point - but nothing more. Mozilla is still a very discriminating Chrome users and 08/15 users only supporting company.

    So, still the big middle-finger right into Mozilla's face!

    • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 12:31 pm #

      You don't know the difference between developers and designers, product managers and other jobs, no? The design of Firefox was never a decision of the developers… And how can you say that the developers are assholes? I am sure you don't know any of them. Otherwise you wouldn't say that. They are people like you and me, doing their job. So please explain why you have to offend other people only because you don't like a design and / or some (or a lot of) the decisions of their employer? And are you also an asshole if someone doesn't like a decision of your employer, for the only reason that you are working for a certain company?

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 12:51 pm #

        I am not offending anyone. Who is shitting on other's heads should not be wondering or demanding that he/she/them should be treated in a different way. Let's make a small analysis:

        -feature-abandoning certain user groups and picking a different target user group is discriminating.

        -discrimination is either a kind of racism or because someone is just a plain ass

        Also, many other people would prefer that kind of analysis:

        -Not supporting Mozilla's short time leader because he donated for a Conservative group and instead supporting the most leftist groups = discrimination again!

        Also this is a no-brainer conclusion and many other people come to the same conclusion.

        If you show some kind of discriminating or asshole tendencies, what do you expect?

        Morons stay morons. There are for sure many nice people working for Mozilla, and without doubt Mozilla developers who have been responsible for the massive amount of customization and have left in the past are great too and earn no offense. Not blaming certain individuals.

        But if a software developer or a political party are assholes - they should also be called like that.

        And especially it is even more bad if the group in question is a FOSS one. That is an utterly insult into the faces of every honest and righteous FOSS developer ever, something which Mozilla is not. They are just corporation minions of Google, a shameful bunch of people without the tiniest bit of respect for their once honest and righteous FOSS roots which they have abandoned since quite a long time!

        Such people do not earn respect or admiration. Because they put a whole sector into the dirt. The one of FOSS!

      • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 1:12 pm #

        Okay. To say someone is an asshole is not offending anyone. Enough has been said, I don't have to read the rest of your comment.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 1:18 pm #

        As said... if you call an asshole like that it is no insult. As it is the truth.

        Again, this is a no-brainer. If Mozilla wants to be treated in a different way then they should act in a bit different way. It is as simple as that.

        Everyone has the possibility to change. This also is the truth if you are a discriminating racist or just a plain and simple asshole.

        That is the beauty of life... We can always be different. If we only want it more than enough.

      • Appster March 24, 2017 at 4:36 pm #

        @Lord Lestat: Don't waste your time with Sören Hentzschel. The former Mozilla Representative sees no wrong in this organization whatever you might say. Please understand that and ignore him.

      • Martin Brinkmann March 24, 2017 at 5:14 pm #

        I value Sören's input very much, and think that limiting him to his role as a Mozilla rep, which he no longer is, is unfair. He has a different opinion than you and Lestat, and that is fine. Just saying, it is probably better to just accept it and move on ;)

      • Appster March 24, 2017 at 5:26 pm #

        @Martin Brinkmann: I would probably get along quite well with Sören if he could stand even the slightest criticism against Mozilla. But given our history I now firmly believe this will never happen. Don't know why he has to comment on anything critical in the comment section (e.g. on Lord Lestat), maybe this should stop. And he was a Mozilla Representative for some time, so I see no wrong in bringing that up. It's not meant to be an insult even.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 5:30 pm #

        @Martin Brinkmann i have no issue with Sören. As said i only have explained my point of view. Nothing more, nothing less :)

        Still this does not mean that i respect or value minimalist and simplicity lovers and haters of customization. The opposite is the case!

        But this is a free web. And Sören is allowed to voice his opinion the same way as i am allowed to voice my opinion.

        No hard feelings :)

    • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 5:13 pm #

      @Appster i know that. I just wanted to make my points clear. As that guy was unable to understand that assholes should be called the way they are: assholes.

      And in Mozilla's case, advanced users discriminating and Conservatives discriminating (Conservatives=No Nazis) assholes and racists.

      That opinion willl be gently removed against a more nicer one once Mozilla decides they are no longer discriminating assholes.

      • SomeoneWithInternetAccess March 25, 2017 at 5:06 am #

        Oh, stop. Mozilla didn't discriminate against Eich, he left the company because it was the sane thing to do amongst a huge PR shitstorm that wasn't going to dissapear because the media was attacking Mozilla.

        Check this out:

        If they really wanted to discriminate against "conservatives" or people that go against gay marriage; why would they tell people that your views don't matter to be part of the community? Why keep saying that they didn't fire him, if firing him for his views would be a better PR tactic for that public? The fact is that Eich was not fired and there is no "conservative discrimination."

      • Lestat March 25, 2017 at 12:06 pm #

        There was. They still could have decided to back him even during the witch-hunt which took place from certain lobbies which demanded that Eich has to be removed for his "Nazi" opinions. Actually Eich was never a Nazi. Not in the past, not now. He just decided to support his own beliefs.

        This IS discrimination, if you do not side with a guy and stand behind him even if there are protesters. And if he has "resigned" on his own - that is no excuse - a non support is and stays a non support, no matter how the end result is.

        So, spare yourself that garbage. For this, Mozilla and the lobbies they support still are and will always be discriminating groups. Who backs radical liberal/left-wing progressive ideologies is and stays a discriminating being!

        A radical left-wing ideology is and always will be a radial left-wing ideology, no matter how nice the words and their way of reasoning are behind they are covering themselves!

      • Beastwolf11 March 25, 2017 at 7:22 pm #

        Mozilla are leftist scum...

        Must be around a year ago where i had some interesting talk with Mzilla guys like Blake Winton and cris Maglione about that topic and both came up with the opinion that Brendun Eich was a f****** racist about whom they are happy he is gone because he was a disgrace of a leader in the eyes of many people and that it was a big mistake to even have put him up into that position in the first place...

        So much about it that Mozilla is not full of discriminating ideals. Ended with me getting banned from their servers *lol* Needless to say that i have droped firefox afterwards as i do not want a software on my machine which is created by fascists.....

        That includes also other Mozilla code based browsers like Waterfox or cyberfox. Supporting of course Brave browser where the developer has the right view of things and is no fucking leftist scumbag and using IE 11 again too! Hopefully Mozilla is going to have their leftist scumbag ass spanked like hell!

      • Anon March 25, 2017 at 8:46 pm #

        @ SomeoneWithInternetAccess - Yes. Mozilla discriminate Eich. He donated some money somewhere, so he has to leave. In normal corporation, corporation will stand behind bullied employee, like e.g. FSF in recent SJW drama.
        Oh land of free...

      • March 28, 2017 at 7:58 am #

        Ah, I see the trolls and sock puppets are out and about, full of hyperbole and spewing their typical non-tech political-like SJW nonsense.

        The only one missing is @Celticwarrior and I suppose that sock puppet has been retired. Eh, @Lord Lestat?

      • lord lestat March 28, 2017 at 11:45 am # Already have been wondering when the paid Mozilla aplogist brigade would appear again.

        Welcome back social justice warrior-snowflake! Or should i rather say welcome back Google minimalist and simplicity adoring muppet with a dislike for intelligent features, complexity and challenging option sets which prefer stock features, stock settings because you guys lack both intelligence brain-capacity wise and understanding for everything more challenging which exceeds pressing one single keyboard or mouse button?

        No matter if you are called Doc D from Reddit, or counting your spelling mistake from way earlier @www.con or Sock for example... or all your brothers and sisters from the various chan boards!

        You are all the same in your opinion. Leftist radical SJW muppets who in combination with Mozilla are free-willingly crawling into Big-G's ass!

        I really could say now i hope you are driving to hell and suffer there the most horrible punishment, but you know what, i am no monster, so i keep it short and friendly and just say the following: Namagomi :)

      • lord lestat March 28, 2017 at 12:27 pm #

        Also you are sounding like guys from 8chan!

        This "FOSS is the only thing which is important" is so deep infested in your brains that you guys are just one big laughing stick! Intelligent, skilled people do not have to define themselves over FOSS - they actually use their mind for something useful. But that is something you and your brothers and sisters will never be able to comprehend.

        And even if you could... That is a good quotation which fits for you and your friends most excellent:

        a perfect match!

      • celtic_superhero March 28, 2017 at 4:52 pm #

        www . com: I have not forgotten you because you have been harassing me already in another ghacks article. I am nobody's puppet. Only because i am not writing somewhere does not mean i am a fake user. I suggest you contact me @ Mozillazine where i am an active member.

        So, see your challenge accepted and see yourself being outsmarted and defeated.

        Game over troll!

        Also, my name is Celtic_Superhero and not Warrior!

      • Tom Hawack March 28, 2017 at 5:25 pm #

        May the best win! Saturday night at Mozillazine Square Gardens, live!

      • Lord Lestat March 28, 2017 at 7:35 pm #

        And what are we learning right now: That the concept of different persons is not as simple as some fool (who is a total com(mercial) sell-out with a www complex) wants it to be. Surprise son, it is full of stars!

        @Tom Hawack Now come on man, there is already way too much violence out there, just turn your back towards them and walk away! Celts and the WWW are a thing of the past. Star Trek is already knocking on the door! *giggles*

  10. Saad March 24, 2017 at 12:39 pm #

    Firefox e10s system is bad. it don't fulfill my expect. what about you?

    • Denro March 26, 2017 at 1:37 am #

      Totally sped shits up here. Quantum goes way beyond though, assuming you have more than one CPU core. (Though GPU is leveraged too)

  11. Anonymous March 24, 2017 at 12:47 pm #

    Tumblr: the browser

    • Anonymous March 24, 2017 at 4:45 pm #

      Underrated Post

  12. Mark Hazard March 24, 2017 at 1:35 pm #

    I like rounded tabs. With Firefox 57, I may as well use Pale Moon, unless an extension comes out to change them back to rounded again.

    • Denro March 26, 2017 at 1:39 am #

      I think WebExtensions can change the appearance of tab corners, but my memory is hazy.

  13. vosie March 24, 2017 at 2:06 pm #

    It's better than Australis design, but still much worse than what Classic Theme Restorer and Classic Toolbar Buttons addons can do. The removal of search bar is one more problem and a step in copying Chrome. And this article has good screenshots that show us that Mozilla is converting Firefox to a Google Chrome clone in every way. And since they will remove the real addon support and make the inferior WebExtensions mandatory, Firefox 57 and newer versions are irrelevant. Firefox will die and become like it wouldn't exist anymore.

    People should never update beyond Firefox 52 ESR or 56.

  14. greg March 24, 2017 at 2:06 pm #

    When will Firefox let users make a custom search engine the default search engine again?

    The final straw that drove me away from Firefox (to Chrome) was the introduction of those one-off search buttons and the removal of the searchplugins folder functionality. There was/is no way to make a custom search engine the default search engine for making searches from the URL bar (without having to enter a keyword first).

    • Sören Hentzschel March 24, 2017 at 3:58 pm #

      I have a custom search engine as my default search engine. Maybe you should describe your problem on…

  15. Uwe March 24, 2017 at 2:55 pm #

    I Like it. It looks really nice! BUT, unfortunately, Opera is the most beautiful in a design category.

  16. Tom Hawack March 24, 2017 at 3:08 pm #

    𝘐𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘪𝘳𝘭 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 says the maxim. In the same way, if you want to know a browser's GUI future look at it's icon. Mozilla's Firefox and Thunderbird icons are lousy, always have been, and always will be.

    Mozilla obviously lacks artists, designers but more importantly, brains. Firefox's default GUI looses space, display is poorly thought, no need for the topbar with close/maximize/minimize when it can hold the tabbar, gaining another ~30px in height. Width/height ratio of modern screens impose height as a major reference in design, when too many designers seem to remain in the 4:3 scheme. Put the extras on the right/left, not on top/bottom. The outlook is cheap. Then you have colors and proportions. If you use an applications many hours a day having a hideous interface isn't good for you, upsets, makes the user want to move, like in a supermarket with that crappy dancing music all day long. They should play Jazz and browsers should play it like Opera, smooth, aesthetic, civilized. But they don't for most of them.

    All this could be repaired by the user. No longer will be. Firefox 57 will include as always its cheap design but this time we'll have to do with it. I know (knew) only well thought and designed browser's GUI : Opera. All other browser's add nonsense to nonsense in terms of design.

    The world lacks artists generally speaking. Running after scores and always in the race like breathless joggers who could forget their watch and have a look at nature, flowers, birds, skies ... people are nuts. Carpe Diem.

  17. pHROZEN gHOST March 24, 2017 at 3:35 pm #


    5. Will the new design be widely accepted or widely rejected.

    Mozilla has really painted itself into a corner. It will be interesting to see how v57 affects this situation.

  18. TelV March 24, 2017 at 4:05 pm #

    If you look at the huge range of options in Classic Theme Restorer I'm surprised Aris (the developer) hasn't created a whole new browser himself.

    In any event though, if the option to move tabs below the location bar isn't going to be available I think I'll swtch to Sea Monkey:

    I don't see Windows 8.1 which I'm running in the OS screenshots, but it's no big deal since I can configure SM to run in compatibility mode for Windows 7 if need be.

  19. Appster March 24, 2017 at 4:32 pm #

    The design looks very bad. Honestly, why is there so much wasted space at both sides of the address bar? And I thought Mozilla considered it quite a good idea to combine the back/forward buttons with the address bar? Where did that go? Did they understand this idea to be bullshit in the end? Also, squared tabs are back! But they are still quite indistinguishable, and thus horrid to look at. Credit where it's due: Chrome's tabs are distinguishable. Overall this new concept looks like a post-modern abomination.

    By the way... Former Mozilla Representative Hentzschel is here again to defend Mozilla. Is anyone surprised?

    • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 5:21 pm #

      It is called damage control.

      If they would deliver in version 57 a browser which looks like Chrome and works like Chrome and has no customization which Chrome also does not possess, backlash would be even worse than what is to expect anyway.

      While Mozilla being a bunch of assholes, they are not that stupid as it looks like. Looks like where there is much shadow, there is also a bit of a light: The good thing is, if you have at least the slightest bit of a brain, there is a chance that you can actually set it into motion if you want.

      • Appster March 24, 2017 at 5:30 pm #

        If you ask me this design looks worse than Chrome. Far worse. And the loss of customization is unfortunate and should be criticized (although don't expect anything from Mozilla, they won't change course no matter the outcry), but there is Pale Moon (and possibly Waterfox) we can stick to. I'm also testing Vivaldi at the moment.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 6:09 pm #

        Well at least it has square tabs. At least one bonus point. Every feature which makes a product different from Chrome is already a large improvement.

        I have stopped playing around with Google based browsers as i do not want to support something by Mozilla's secret pimp-daddy of choice.

        Actually i rather would go back to IE11-IE5 if i only would have the choice between Chrome, a more feature rich Chrome copy and an almost Chrome copy which uses a different engine.

        I am really happy that the revived QTWebkit is around and Otter-Browser is perfect for me too. I also would never support EME and MSE as both are a disgrace for everything FOSS. I also refuse to use Youtube and i am not using any Google services.

        Mozilla and their pimp-daddy Google and all the Blink based browsers out there - no matter if Frankenstein construct Vivaldi (that developers are not even able to remove Chrome's origin UI so they just hide it with pulling their CSS code over it) or more clean developed Brave (but feature less) or all the minor Chrome rebrands - can go to hell and kiss me right at body-spots where the sun is not shining!

        Google and their disgusting disgrace puppets Mozilla and W3C are discriminating assholes! And all 3 of them can go to hell and i hope that they going to be strucked by the ISS, hit by a meteor, swallowed by a giant earth quake or just being physically beaten up by someone or a group of people until they implode to bring back honesty and sanity! Just fuck that shit!

      • Appster March 24, 2017 at 6:56 pm #

        @Lord Lestat: Well, the square tabs look really bad. As another user has pointed out below they are not even distinguishable and lack clear borders. Honestly, Chrome's tabs work and look better in this case.

        I wonder why you don't consider Pale Moon, as this browser should meet your needs (except CTR as Pale Moon purposefully lacks Australis). Also you should track what the Waterfox developer is currently up to.

        I wouldn't even consider Otter because of its obscure rendering engine, meaning lots of breaking sites. I would prefer Vivaldi over this one, whatever you might think is wrong with the browser. At least the developers are listening to the userbase over there.

        You are mistaken when it comes to MSE and EME. There is nothing wrong with MSE, it's just a media backend. It's open source, hence Pale Moon supports it. Pale Moon also shows that you can implement MSE without implementing EME, which is the DRM component. While DRM is certainly anti-FOSS you have to keep in mind that having an Open Source DRM component defeats its very purpose. If anyone could look at its code it would get hacked in a matter of hours. DRM is in place so that content owners can protect their property(!) against pirates. I don't think there is anything wrong with it if you aren't a pirate to be honest.

        Anyway, Mozilla mimicking Chrome is a widely accepted fact that will more likely than not lead to their demise. Stay tuned!

    • Supah March 26, 2017 at 1:45 am #

      > By the way... Former Mozilla Representative Hentzschel is here again to defend Mozilla. Is anyone surprised?

      Surprised that you're still harassing him ? Not really.

  20. Clairvaux March 24, 2017 at 4:59 pm #

    It's certainly more modern and better than the present look, which seems to have been designed for kids.

    However, I hate Mozilla's new logo. It's blocky and smacks of brutalism. Also, you can't read it unless you know in advance how to spell the name, which defeats the very aim of a logo. Deconstructionists love to destroy things. They will even work to destroy their own brand...

    Wait... that's what Mozilla's doing right now with all that dumbing down of Firefox. So let me correct this : the new logo may convey perfectly the company's corporate identity, and, ahem... "values".

    • Anonymous March 24, 2017 at 5:33 pm #

      I don't think that the Mozilla logo is bad. It's better than before. The web is part of their logo, just as it is part of their mission.

      • remember March 26, 2017 at 1:51 pm #

        Didn't you seen it? It's Moz://a Firefox :// now. :-/

  21. pd March 24, 2017 at 5:21 pm #

    Reversed stupidity of an Australis change (back/forward)? Amazing.

    Added the broken idea of a combined search/location bar? They've been tossing that up for years and finally the mongrels grinding that axe have had their way. FFS. Not only that but they've minimized the width to ... what ... create the impression of "cleanliness" or token room for addon UI (if all the UI you need is a button!) alongside?

    1. What are the strange icons on the RHS?
    - A) Scissors on a dashed square
    - B) Books on a shelf with one leaning
    - C) Two-pane blotter with a ribbon? (sidebar toggle?)

    Squared vs rounded tab treatment doesn't bare mentioning IMHO. It's makeup, not clothes. Though the huge irony of Mozilla rejecting their own XUL for HTML/CSS to define the browser UI, and border-radius having finally arrived in CSS over the last few years or so, is very rich.

    • Ionensturm March 24, 2017 at 5:52 pm #

      There is an extreme amount of wasted space, though. Also the tabs could have clean separators and borders. The ones here are indistinguishable once again. Also, a separate search bar has advantages as well.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 6:26 pm #

        Yeah, a separate search bar is great. But we know, Google has none, so it is only a matter of time until Mozilla kills it also off for real, as they could otherwise not gain the Chrome users which want such a feature to be exterminated ;)

  22. All Things Firefox March 24, 2017 at 6:37 pm #

    Rounded tabs, which were a big improvement over pre-Australis, are much better than this mockup.
    I really hope Firefox keeps the search bar. With set to true, it's quite handy to search without having to actually open a new tab.
    Moving the refresh button out of the address bar is a waste of space, as is putting in both back and forward buttons.

  23. Tau March 24, 2017 at 7:32 pm #

    Another redesign? *sigh*, the Australis switch was already painful enough. I don't like it. The forward button, if fixed like chrome, says much about how much thinking has been put into this new design. Lots of wasted space.. the close tab button and the search bar are also missing in this early mockup.

    They're just making sure people who cares about it the most will leave it, at this point.

  24. MOYcano March 24, 2017 at 7:51 pm #

    As most people here, I don't like this tendency towards minimalism interfaces because they cannot be truly customized into more practical configurations. For instance, I HATE that the Bookmarks menu (next to the star in the current version) is fixed into a very small clipboard icon, and I think the previous approach (the "Other bookmarks" string) made more sense when I choose to display the Bookmarks bar. I used to rely on Classic Theme Restorer for that end. So, what's next? Change to Chrome?

  25. jasray March 24, 2017 at 8:08 pm #

    S’io credesse che mia risposta fosse
    A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
    Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
    Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
    Non torno vivo alcun, s’i’odo il vero,
    Senza tema d’infamia ti rispondo.

    from "Love Song of Prufrock"

    Yes, yes, Brave, Opera, Edge, Chrome, Gadfly, Bullocks, Firefox? Now something needs to be said about Firefox because the initial idea included actually used feedback from a community. It's original incarnation was a community driven browser that would allow user customizations, user feedback forums, user, user, user, user all had a say in what came next if anything. Just sayin' there are a lot of add-ons and work completed by the community.

    Sadly, that original idea is lost, gone, and will never be again. Mozilla knows what is best, and that's what the small oligarchy is going to produce. Maybe reference the Wikipedia entry for oligarchy.

    Somewhere along the developmental stage, prominent members, families, educational elitists, etc. of the Mozilla Team declared that the masses were much too naive and immature to handle a communal vision, so the original, communal [like the original idea of communism which has never been implemented as Marx envisioned it] idea was trashed, much like Lenin trashed communism, and Mozilla Incorporated evolved and user input was abolished, abandoned, spat upon, ridiculed, and pronounced dead.

    In short, whatever "you" say on this forum or anywhere else doesn't matter; "you" as a user don't matter; "you" disappeared a long time ago while Mozilla started a strategy to eliminate and alienate those who disagreed with the self-selected team of oligarchs.

    Since Mozilla doesn't make any money from "you," Mozilla has no reason to please you, listen to you, read your diatribes, or waste time in any direction "you" take. The Mozilla Team clearly has a plan that they have be mapping for years. The Plan exists, and it will be implemented in an overnight siege like the Red October.

    Yes, there is an irony in all of this: Instead of toppling a Tsar or the "head" of some organization, Mozilla is toppling the ideology that led to its current success. By eliminating "you" and listening to "them" [the definition of "them" and who "them" is could be debated for quite some time] a completely different ideology is filling the vacuum. It's almost as though Mozilla were attempting to create a "caliphate" within the context of Internet access and using aggressive, radical changes to make that happen.

    One example: Mozilla says, "How are we going to eliminate all of this "clutter" out there called "add-ons?" That's simple--how to take control of the media? Is that what is being asked? We just create a new code that is onerous enough to stop people from making add-ons.

    Just thinking . . . waste of time and media coverage, this Mozilla Monster. Maybe everyone simply stop using Mozilla Firefox as of now, this minute, set up a different browser [Brave if you like], settle in with bookmarks and whatever add-ons needed, but never, never look at Mozilla again. When Mozilla finally pieces together a new and improved browser, provides a site with only those add-ons that survived the purge, then maybe go have a look see at Ozymandias.

    "My name is Firefox, king of all Internet browsers:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.'

    My gosh, the arrogance of the Mozilla Team.

    • Appster March 24, 2017 at 8:25 pm #

      Lenin was a murderous criminal, look up what happened to the Tsar and his family with Lenin's consent. And Lenin implemented exactly what Marx has intended, as Marx did call for the implementation of a dictatorship as a transitional stage towards communism in "The Capital". What Marx did not keep in mind is that a person holding power is not very likely to give it up anytime soon, which is why all communist countries end up as totalitarian dictatorships. A flawed ideology indeed. By the way: The Tsar was not overthrown by Lenin in the October revolution, but by the Provisional Government in the February revolution which was then in turn overthrown by Lenin. Get your facts straight.

      As for Mozilla: They are a sinking ship anyway, look at their market share. A sunken ship needs no captain.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm #

        Right-wing Nazis, left-wing Nazis and Mozilla have a lot in common.

        Their ideology is hurting certain people and is discriminating to a high degree. But history shows, Nazi ideologies can and will be beaten. It is only a matter of time.

        Hitler is history.
        Mussolini is history.
        Stalin/Lenin is history.

        And Mozilla will also be history sooner or later.

      • Gary D March 25, 2017 at 1:24 am #

        @ Appster @ Lord Lestat

        The purpose of this blog about FF is to discuss the merits or otherwise of Mozilla's design proposals.


        Going off topic as you have done REALLY pisses me off :(

        Further more, as pointed out by Martin, your attacks on Sören Hentzschel are totally uncalled for.

        Comparing Mozilla to Nazis, etc, is ludicrous !

        The Communists and the Nazis killed millions of people!

        How many has Mozilla killed? Engage your brains before typing, you Plonkers !!

        G F A M

      • Lord Lestat March 25, 2017 at 1:30 am #

        @Gary i suggest you mind your own business (or problems) with all due respect.

        You do not like the opinion of someone? Look away and talk to people you like.

        Internet is free, we all are allowed to express your opinion. What for you may be off-topic is for other people who write with each other in that blog no off-topic, as they are expressing opinions with each other.

        I suggest you spare yourself your fascist attitude. Because that's what it is. You do not like other opinions, so the other end should be silent. Forget that as fast as you can, because it won't work on me - again with all due respect!

      • Anonymous March 25, 2017 at 7:51 am #

        @ Gary D: When Mozilla is making politic, is making lobbying to change our copyright european's laws, for excuse talking about "creativity", my opinion is people can express their own opinion, this article is about creativity after all. So please calm down:

      • Appster March 25, 2017 at 9:08 am #

        @Gary D:

        For the record: I did never compare Mozilla to Nazis or any other political party. That's what Lord Lestat did. Don't mix this up just because you are in a rage.

        I felt I had to comment on Lenin here specifically as jasray didn't get his facts straight. Mistakes call for a correction. What I did write about Lenin was just some basic info and does not even remotely qualify for a rant.

        As for Sören: This guy and I had our problems in the past. Hentzschel can't stand any criticism against Mozilla (Don't believe that? Try to criticize Mozilla in his presence...), yet he thinks to have the right to comment on everything critical in the comment section. Ouch... So this is definitely not "uncalled for", neither is it an "attack". All I said is that the guy is here again to defend Mozilla which he does under nearly every article on Ghacks despite having his own blog, which is quite funny if you think about it.

        Bottom line is: Stop ranting about me yourself. I don't have to justify myself before you, so if you don't like what I say feel free to go away.

      • Lord Lestat March 25, 2017 at 8:16 pm #

        Also @Gary D: It is no requirement to kill people.

        Racism and discrimination works also in many different ways. I have seen that with my own eyes, at one point a dear friend of mine who is suffering a slight mental handicap (he wears a large cross visible around the neck most of the time) was bad-mouthed by some Muslim youth who called him a racist for wearing the cross as Christianity has killed a very large amount of people in the past.

        Needlessly to say, i walked out of my way and was kicking that kiddo some manners right into it's butt.

        Racist and fascist opinions or if only discriminating of a certain amount of people IS Nazi crap. Because that ugly people in the past have been the perfect example for being utterly evil, and the term is more than fitting today for everyone who is doing some injustice to others, no matter in which way that injustice is being presented!

        Such behavior makes me utterly angry and i am not going to tolerate that. Never ever will i tolerate such crappy opinions!

    • Tom Hawack March 24, 2017 at 10:02 pm #

      @jasray, equity is not a human characteristic, to impose it is as pertinent as trying to master a hurricane, "Chase nature and it makes it come-back more furious than ever". Liberty is the master-word, for the best and for the worst.
      But in each and everyone of us, independently of culture, education, religion remains consciousness, the sens of good and bad. And from there on and from there on only civilizations progress. Humans as nature don't like to be forced, but they are able of the best as of the worst. They, we are able of the best. Criticism is of course necessary and unfortunately seems we are driven to loose criticism when pushed towards unique values. It's an individual choice, that to exercise our liberty of thoughts, given others are provided in democracies.

      Concerning Mozilla, if many criticize this and that of its policies, of what we conceive its approach of tomorrow's browsers to be, we also live in a world so infested with lies, hypocrisy and manipulation that we may tend to imagine plots everywhere. I don't believe in plots as a rule; rather do I observe a chain of sequences in a cause to effect relationship, more of a wide societal display than of a deliberate political plan. Companies wherever and whatever they proceed are in continuous brainstorming where indeed the user is not always the first component, but mastering users is not the aim even if it may be a consequence of another struggle, that to remain on the scene. It's pragmatism, not ideology.

      • Appster March 24, 2017 at 10:07 pm #

        Aren't you the guy with 70+ add-ons? Your extensions will get wrecked quite badly come November.

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 10:15 pm #

        Well Mozilla is a case where the leadership is indeed about ideology. Not standing behind Brendan Eich and watching him give up and resign.

        Mozilla took a clear stance against traditionalists and jumped on the radical liberal/left-wing progressive ideology train. Conservatives and traditionalists like Christians are in their mindset of no importance. Because in the radical liberal/left-wing progressive ideology all others are members of Nazi believes.

        This was also not the only experience of Mozilla with radical left-wing ideologies.

        And it is beyond shameful that Open Source which should be about quality and creativity is abused by Mozilla for political activism which clearly leads to the disadvantage and discrimination of certain ideologies and ends in reducing the feature set to please the lowest common denominator as many people could feel discriminated by stuff they do not understand (and of which they could feel humiliated because they can't understand = generation snowflake).

        That certain amount of users you can find mostly over at Google with using Chrome. So, instead of supporting the intellectual more superior users which are more open minded and support both existing of advanced features and simple features side by side Mozilla sides with the opposite which only wants their simple features and the rest gone.

      • Tom Hawack March 24, 2017 at 10:58 pm #

        @Appster, not sure having 70+ add-ons is characteristic of humble me, especially that I now run 80 of them :)
        I know the blast in progress, I'm not saying I'm not affected, only that, if I indeed as many others deplore the effects I wish not to explain them with ideology.

        @Lord Lestat, if I agree with your last paragraph, that of a factual reality, I tend to perceive ideology as your very argument to demonstrate ideology as the reason of moving policies, those of Mozilla here. You'd have to avoid using a rifle to be legitimate in an anti-weapon argumentation I guess. What you write is interesting but biased by beliefs, theories, interpretations. Just consider a company aiming at remaining on the scene and taking decisions accordingly. I believe as many of us that many of their decisions are led by a wrong analysis of the present and its deployment in coming times, but I'd avoid explaining those decisions by ideology. Not to mention that I may be wrong and that Mozilla may have abetter penetration of tomorrow's browsers world, requirements, optimization. I just don't know for sure and I certainly cannot use my experience, what I understand of my little browser's configuration hit with Mozilla's decisions as a universal argument to bash the company. All I can say at this time is that it bothers me, that I believe the company is mistaking on several levels, not on all, but certainly not that all this would be explained by a shift to a left-winged left-progressive area of computing ideology :) Gosh ...

      • Lord Lestat March 24, 2017 at 11:13 pm #

        Actually that is what actually happened. That is no theory or conspiracy - this is a real world example. And history shows who has started to follow a path, will keep on following it. Also that is no theory or conspiracy.

        Mozilla may have started as a honest reliable, lovable, adorable cool browser developer with untainted visions and a high moral instance.

        Look at Mozilla now, there is nothing much left of that. We have a money orientated, greedy for-profit-organization which sacrifices without a second doubt their present users because another user group gives them possibly more money and influence. And to insert the cherry on top of it... it sides with today's real Nazi's: the radical liberal/left-wing progressive ideology.

        And it should already be known what i think of such a devolution and what terms i would use to express the state of things.

  26. Tom Hawack March 24, 2017 at 9:18 pm #

    About the Search bar. I read several complaints about the Search bar not being displayed in this first mockup screenshot of Firefox 57’s new design. My point of view regarding the Search bar, its pertinence.

    I've used FF's Search bar since always until I discovered in latest FF builds that another approach was maybe better, that of including the Search feature right in the urlbar.

    I tried it and removed the Search bar, gaining place with no loss of functionality because the Search engines are included in the very drop-down which appears when typing in the urlbar (forgot the terminology in English, sorry).

    In this screenshot you can see that my search engines all appear when I type in the urlbar :

    Moreover, regarding the search engine the user wishes as default there is a FF add-on which performs just that right from the urlbar as sell, 'Omnibar Lite',
    "Adds default search engine icon to the location bar with an ability to change it quickly. "
    available at

    In the second screenshot we can see those search engines availability :

    My opinion is that making the search feature available right from the urlbar has more pros than cons. I'd wish the add-on I mention, 'Omnibar Lite', to be included natively in coming versions of FF, especially if the Search bar is to be removed.

  27. Tony March 25, 2017 at 12:08 am #

    Wow... Mozilla can't even decide if square tabs are better than round ones, or the other way around.

    The study of human psychology and natural environments clearly reveals that rounded edges lower stress. But it's unknown if Mozilla uses science to make decisions or just some "designer" who says "this looks cool".

    We all know that Microsoft has failed miserably in this department... will Mozilla show their ignorance by following suit?

    • Tom Hawack March 25, 2017 at 10:55 am #

      I always express reserves when it comes to social studies. The number of departments that publish in order to collect fame and/or funds is astonishing. I'm not generalizing of course but, as everything which is published, it's neither because it is published nor even because of the publisher's reputation that it is true (or not), especially in social studies.

      I don't know if rounded edges lower stress. Personally what stresses me is disharmony, and I perceive rounded tabs as such. It is said that a square is symbolically male and a curve female, some prefer square mirrors other rounded for example. Who knows?! Preferring a round body to a square one has maybe nothing to do with mirrors! Nowadays if you search well you can find almost any theory and its opposite, both pseudo-demonstrated with a great deal of axiomatic references.

      I guess for what concerns the square vs. rounded tabs debate it's more a matter of personal preferences. My argument is essentially aesthetic, hence subjective. Long live subjectivity. I hope subjectivity will be included in artificial intelligence, but I doubt it!

  28. David March 25, 2017 at 1:00 am #

    There's something about UX designers and their mockups that absolutely abhors the search bar (and other things). However the search bar has always remained there after the actual release. While I don't really trust Mozilla anymore, I'm not going to worry about the availability of the search bar until it's more than a missing item in a mockup picture.

  29. Earl March 25, 2017 at 3:52 am #

    One of the first mods I made to Australis involved squaring the tabs. Or, you could have just used the Dev theme. If anything, it was easier with Australis to make the tabs look anyway you wanted them to given how much and how well Mozilla cleaned up the Fx internals. My Firefox after Australis looked pretty much like my Firefox before Australis--as little chrome as possible. Since Fx29, however, Mozilla has set about removing as much user customization options as possible. It's not even a shell of what it used to be. Firefox as a "user's browser" is dead.

  30. Mystique March 25, 2017 at 4:04 am #

    This kind of backlash is not completely unexpected, anyone at Mozilla or associated with Mozilla that did not expect it this has been sitting in a bubble and delusional.
    Once you take away the flexibility and/or customization and present a browser which is aesthetically poor then try to shoe horn them into some sort of all or nothing situation then you are going to get negative feedback.
    Sadly this has been a long time coming and in part Mozilla should have acknowledged that their path was not in line with the expectation of its core user base. The very fact there existed an addon to 'correct' said issues should have been another alarm bell more to the point its popularity.

    The fact is Mozilla is at odds with its user base and has now placed itself in the very position Microsoft did with its "Internet Explorer" browser and as soon as a better option exists people will leave in droves, fortunately for Mozilla the browser marketplace is saturated with enough fluff to keep them afloat for now but all that is needed is one big push and Mozilla will go out like the dodo or the IE.

    Wasted space and shitty design is not something that is new, that comes directly from your lord and ruler Microsoft with its shitty crayons and finger paints designs... I call it the Etch A Sketch design. We are one step away from going back to monochrome all under the false guise of simplicity.

  31. LAMBDA471 March 25, 2017 at 8:27 am #

    I've given up on Firefox ever since version 4 when they threw everything they had in the garbage and decided to copy Chrome. Pale Moon and Vivaldi are my only hopes right now, if they fail or lose their way, I don't know what browser I will be using.

  32. Dumindu March 25, 2017 at 9:06 am #

    What is the tab management tool you suggest after removing Tab Candy and restricting Tab Groups?

    Don't tell Tab Center, please

  33. Viper March 25, 2017 at 11:51 am #

    Why don't they just switch to the Chromium and get done with it already. Firefox was such a good browser light and customizable for every user and his/her needs, now it's pile of BS.

    Mozilla's way of integrating things in browser that very few people uses is stupid, make it modular and ask for installing it during setup, then people who need something like Pocket could install it other simply not and everybody is happy.

    But Mozilla knows it better ... yeah right!

  34. Geoff March 25, 2017 at 7:33 pm #

    I think I like that they are going back to their roots with the squared tabs, maybe. Might take some getting used to again. They need to bring back the status bar, as that is vital information that needs to be displayed. Status-4-Evar should just be built into Firefox, if that is even possible. My concern is with the downloads menu. When are we going to get a simple speed gauge built into Firefox? I want to see how fast my downloads are going. I shouldn't have to install an add-on just to manage my downloads properly. I would also like the title bar back, so I can quickly see which website I am on just by looking at the title. I think I like the look of Pale Moon, which was the old Firefox look with the tabs on the bottom. That is a much cleaner look, and really should be their default theme. I am using Nightly currently. How can I get that look back? Do I have to install Classic Theme Restorer, or is there a userstyle for it? Mozilla should just give us options. I think we all agree that is what we loved about the browser most, its ability to custom it whichever way we wanted. Bring back customization, Mozilla. Don't take it from us!

  35. PMNosolution March 26, 2017 at 5:17 pm #

    To everyone constantly Advertising palemoon in every Firefox blog entry here:

    That browser is no solution anymore as it can't move Forward webstandards wise with it's forked engine. Basically functionality will be lost as it Looks like.

    So please, stop Advertising Palemoon as it is only a short time solution.

    Thank you very much...

    • Lord Lestat March 26, 2017 at 10:12 pm #

      There is no reason to be insulting! Recommending other browsers is nothing bad.

      But It was clear from the beginning that the Pale Moon project would run into some issues sooner or later. The developer was putting effort in fixing bugs of Firefox and it's Gecko engine, but to handle ECMA script or HTML5 feature implementations, this needs sadly a different class of skill levels. If the Pale Moon developer would posess that level of skills, he could have ported Promises over as he tried to achieve. Here is an important point: each of us has in one or more ways limited skills while in other ways we are experts. And if you are trying to run a browser and you are doing the majority of the work, a real full fork is the worst thing which you can make if you are the one who is doing the major work and you have no capable people for the segments which are beyond your own skill leve.

      If they would also give in to using again monthly new Firefox versions, their user interface would have to be discarded and classic add-ons too. Pale Moon was a browser which enabled you to delay the feature reduction for some time, but forking if you have no big team around you is impossible. Even Vivaldi and Brave team has not forked Chromium and instead is build their own creation on top of it.

      The only way to have customization is if you are using some obscure browsers like i am using or something like Vivaldi or Maxthon.

      The future of customization is the following: Use either an in a cheap way produced Chrome clone like Vivaldi which has a virtual UI or use some obscure browsers.

      In the end we are drifting in the direction the majority of todays users want: The direction of simple not complex stock features browsers - perhaps some you can enhance more than others but not that much to make them stand out from the crowd (sorry Mozilla, that is directed towards you)

  36. Mystique March 27, 2017 at 3:38 pm #

    I guess one could say the future is unwritten, another browser may arrive or someone else may lend their skills to Pale Moon but one thing that is certain is that Mozilla is on its own path now, they have made it pretty clear that with or without the community they are forging ahead and it seems like it will be without the community at this stage.

    You have to understand that Firefox started very slowly too but there are very few that remember the phoenix days and it seems none at all in the Mozilla team as those days were all uphill but the community was with them and we all pitched in and were true to the term 'community' as we all believed and we all supported the dream.
    Phoenix went from strength to strength and soon became Firefox as it raised like a Phoenix on the support and blessing of the community not to mention the hard work, diligence, skill, passion and shared ideals of the community at large.

    Mozilla could surprise us all but I wouldn't hold my breath, I wouldn't be surprised if some other kind of browser were to rise up or a completely unestablished browser would.

    Its a sad state of affairs but we will all have to play it by ear and assess things closer as we get closer to the deadline or after the arrival of the new Firefox browser.

  37. john @MOZILLA March 27, 2017 at 6:22 pm #

    Hey folks, I'm probably the person most directly responsible for this thing being in the wild, so here's the deal... the original URL in their comment below. I'll get to why i put it behind a password in a sec (hint: non-sinister reasons).

    The thing to understand is that the UI being tested here is not Photon, but an iteration of the Page Shot Test Pilot experiment that we hope to ship as an optional feature in future versions of Firefox.

    My design team used some off the shelf mock-ups from recent design iterations of on future browser UI so they could better reason abut what direction to push the Page Shot design language. In general, the Test Pilot team runs fast experiments so we don't need to be 100% match-y with the latest Firefox design standards. Rather, we look to the Firefox design team for general guidance about styles, colors, etc, so that the design vocabulary we adopt in our experiments feels more-or-less of a kind with Firefox. We used those old mock-ups to help us think about emerging design values, not because they're an accurate reflection of what will ship with Photon.

    So yeah, I made the testing doc private again for the time being because I don't own, or have any stake in, the ongoing design work being done for Photon. I have no idea how far along that team is now, and it seemed kind of not cool for my URL to be hanging out in the breeze and showing off work that probably isn't a reflection of current reality.

    So that's my story. For the record, nobody's upset or surprised at Mozilla because openness is actually a thing we believe in and care a lot about (seriously, come help us!