No, the Firefox logo isn't being changed
Recently, there has been a rise in memes that mock the Firefox logo. You may have come across some of these images that tell you "they killed the fox", and the new "Firefox minimalist logo".
Well, Mozilla finally had enough of this and published an article at its blog to clarify the situation.
Here's what happened. The story goes back to 2019, when Mozilla experimented with a new logo. It almost looked like they reversed the browser's iconic (pun intended) imagery, and just took the fox's face away, so it was kind of like a tail surrounding the globe. That sounds odd, but the important thing here is that this logo isn't for the Firefox browser at all, it was made as an icon for the parent Firefox brand, which includes the browser and all other services/products made by the organization.
Take a look at this blog article from 2 years ago. This particular icon in question is something that has never been used for any of the Firefox versions or other service. While we are on that topic, it might seem like the non-profit organization was kind of going the Google-way, with the colorful icons in that image. Speaking of which, Mozilla calls the parent logo, a "fiery marble".
Right, back to the present, here is one of the images that are being circulated on social networks, reddit and meme sites. While some of the icons are older versions used for the browser, you may have noticed that the last one, i.e., the meme Firefox logo is a slightly altered version of the parent brand's icon.
The memes didn't stop there, and were quite hilarious. One of these had a logo with the fox's tail being replaced by a sphere making it a crunchyroll icon. There was an animated version of this which transitioned from Firefox to Microsoft Edge's logo. Another meme featured an Among Us styled logo, there were other pictures with funny quotes, sarcastic humor, rude posts, and even completely different icons.
The downside was that the memes were being shared by social accounts with thousands of followers, and some of these were verified accounts. And the sad thing is, people started believing these were real, and even reached out to Firefox's social accounts protesting the change.
This is when Mozilla decided to step in, the misinformation had to stop, and they had to officially say "No! the Firefox logo isn't being changed". The statement also took a swipe at the people sharing the memes, and stated that these people (who were sharing the memes) aren't Firefox users, because otherwise they'd be familiar with the real logo on their desktop (or Taskbar). The only thing missing in Mozilla's message was a facepalm meme.
While it may seem like a trivial thing on the surface, logos and brand recognition are actually pretty important. Many people have fallen victim to malicious programs, because of a case of mistaken identity, they looked at an icon and thought it was the official program, but at the end they got a potentially-unwanted program. Here's an example of that.
Well, it wasn't that bad in the case of the Firefox logo. That's a relief of course, but maybe all these parodies will turn out to be good. There's no such thing as bad publicity, right? Perhaps some of those people who saw the memes will switch to Firefox.
Update: It appears Mozilla is fighting fire with fire, the latest Firefox nightly version actually changes the browser's icon. But, wait for it, it is not the one from the memes. It's a totally different one, the Doge meme.
The memes were claiming that the Fox face is missing, well now it is. And the new icon (and about page) was welcomed by r/firefox in good humor, and even got its own meme, "Such speed, much privacy, wow, very browser!".
Download Firefox Nightly to get the new logo, the cool one that is.
The most useless article of the year on gHacks, perhaps. In general, although I am not always in agreement with @Martin Brinkmann, at least his articles make sense and have a clear topic and objective. That is, they educate people. This article here discusses logos and memes and what not. Mozilla changed the Firefox Nightly logo to some stupid shite because they are desperate for attention, so what? I actually hoped that gHacks would stay away from publishing articles about this kind of PR stunt, but apparently I was wrong. Geez…
It may be an “article that doesn’t go down” for you.
However, from the perspective of others, “Your Comment is crap.”
The appearance differs depending on where the reference point is placed.
Your comments are frank, but they create conflicts (dispute).
What do people learn from this article, except that Mozilla is pushing some meme nonsense because they are desperate for attention? Nothing.
I don’t even think this opinion is controversial, unless you get useful info from this article that I somehow fail to get.
You are short-circuiting the issues in this article.
The “logo” is a symbol of corporate identity and is a very important symbol.
You have a lot of experience as a home user, but you are not familiar with the real world because you are based on the views of a particular theorist of your choice.
On the other hand, I work for a large international enterprise, have a lot of experience with various PCs, and are familiar with social common sense (real world).
The importance of logos is common sense in corporate affairs.
As mentioned in Ashwin’s article, if the difference in logos is not properly known, end users will be confused by the “authenticity” of apps such as fake apps and malware infections.
The “logo” may be just a mascot symbol for you, but other than you (especially corporate users) don’t think of it as such.
“GHacks Tech News” is a timely topic at the discretion of GHacks.
All the editing rights for that article belong to “GHacks”.
Even if you are a community member, you have no right to deny the article.
Words and actions that deny editorial rights overstep the bounds of “freedom of speech” and are an Infringement of the right to edit, which is the same as extortion.
As you always comment, practice “If you don’t want to see, don’t see”.
You are always posting “sincere opinions”, which is a revelation and beneficial to the community.
However, be aware of where to post and focus on the topic.
You want to comment on articles related to “Mozilla”, but please show “your opinion” to other articles (browser, search engine, apps: multimedia player, etc.)
I look forward to those reviews.
This is the saddest thing I’ve read all day. Apparently, Iron Heart’s cruel overlords at Brave Software, Inc. are now forcing him to read light-hearted Firefox articles against his will.
Iron Heart, you’re doing your screen name justice – you’re facing this ordeal with such a, ahem, brave face. Please let us know if there’s anythign we can do to support you.
@foolishgrunt: Bwahahahaha… Brav(e)o, that was simply superb! :D
I can say that the article is pointless after having read it, what’s wrong about that? My criticism is aimed at any potential repetition of pointless article, not at shitting on the article after the fact (which would in itself be pointless).
> Iron Heartâ€™s cruel overlords at Brave Software, Inc.
> brave face.
I won’t comment on something so stupid, except by saying that you bring up Brave even when I don’t – this is pathetic.
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This is very rude! If you don’t like it, just read the articles about your favorite “Brave” browser and don’t whine!
The tone of this comment is over the top, but I agree that logos are not something that concerns me in the least unless they are being used to send some sort of political message. Having said that, the new logo being previewed on Nightly (if that is what is winds up being) could be a lot worse. Hopefully it doesn’t offend anyone (for whatever reason, it really doesn’t matter) with a woke sensibility.
@ iron heart
In that case, it is time for you to find a new forum where you can exercise your “superior” intellect while cogitating with your DUDES, dude.
Maybe your off topic comments will be more acceptable there.
@the usual suspects
You guys are a weird bunch, I must tell you. I didn’t even bring up “Brave” (that was you, ironically) or a particular criticism of Firefox. My comment was about the undeniable fact that this article only reports about logos and memes, and that it is both sad and pointless that gHacks would report about something like this, seeing how other articles on this website are more informative and adhere to higher quality standards. That’s about it, or so I thought.
In your hatred for me, you fail to engage the simple point I am trying to make, instead opting to go for some generic bashing of my humble personage. Fairly pathetic is what this is.
Of note: gHacks is free to report about whatever it sees fit to report on, and I am free to find specific topics silly. Deal with it.
@ iron heart
“In your hatred for me, you fail to engage the simple point I am trying to make, instead opting to go for some generic bashing of my humble personage”
Personally, I don’t hate you. I find you pathetic, paranoid, and obsessed with bashing Firefox (which you have admitted you used before Brave).
Furthermore, when other commenters disagree with you, you hurl insults with impunity: E.G.”You guys are a weird bunch”. When they retaliate, you come out with remarks such as “It’s not fair, you all hate me for telling the truth”, that is to say YOUR version of the truth.
The problem is that you piss everyone off with your pages long comments filled with obscure links to old articles from all over the web which have no relevance to the article’s topic.
“gHacks is free to report about whatever it sees fit to report on, and I am free to find specific topics silly. Deal with it”.
Such arrogance !. Martin can decide to ban you at any time and remove your comments permanently which he has done in quite a few recent articles.
Martin is the ghacks editor NOT you.
@ iron heart
“You guys are a weird bunch”
You love throwing insults around, don’t you. You insulted Ashwin with the comment you made.
However, when other posters retaliate, you whine and bitch. See 2. below
“In your hatred for me”. “my humble personage”. HUMBLE ???? That phrase made me laugh out loud
I for one don’t hate you. I find you pathetic, paranoid, and irrelevant.
You post pages of comments about Firefox in which you do nothing but criticise FF.
In an attempt to justify the criticism, you add numerous links to old, out of date, articles.
“gHacks is free to report about whatever it sees fit to report on, and I am free to find specific topics silly. Deal with it.”
Your arrogance and stupidity is breath taking.
What you overlook is that Martin is the editor of ghacks. He decides what to publish NOT you.
He has exercised his editorial control by deleting many comments by you in recent FF articles. He can, if he so wishes, ban you entirely and delete all the comments you post.
Anonymous posted “Go try another forum. Oh wait, they all have voting buttons. You wouldnâ€™t last three minutes on hackernews or anywhere else.” He is correct.
“bashing of my humble personage”.
> In your hatred for me
Would you disagree with me when I say that this mob here hates me?
> Would you disagree with me when I say that this mob here hates me
Still playing the victim. “Face Eating Panther Party” member gets confused when face eaten by panther
Answer the question. Because it would only be “victim playing” when there is no real hate involved.
> Answer the question
I’ll try again since you need help understanding
Still playing the victim. * [Editor: removed the rest, please no personal attacks, thank you]
Editor said to Iron Heart:
“* [Editor: removed, please donâ€™t suggest to anyone that they should go elsewhere]”
Goes for everyone else as well, I hope. You included.
@ Iron Heart
No one forced you to read the article. Grow up and stop being such a whiny little bitch.
Your hatred and bias of all things Mozilla makes you irrelevant.
Go try another forum. Oh wait, they all have voting buttons. You wouldn’t last three minutes on hackernews or anywhere else.
Your technical knowledge is a joke, and your repetitious criticisms comprise of a few years old items, or outright general sweeping generalizations of bull shit. No wonder you’re reduced to making stupid comments about anything … got to stick it to Firefox in every post, right … get those boots in.
At this point, the only meme here is you
Voting buttons encourage mob mentality. It will always be the same 5 – 6 people who will immediately downvote me after having read my nick, no matter what I write, because they hate my guts. That’s what will be happening and that’s what you are gleefully hoping for in reality. I would react to this stupid mob by changing my nick every week, by the way – that’s what you are encouraging here.
Regardless of that, I think you’d be surprised that people spilling the beans about Mozilla don’t usually get downvoted apart from the Firefox subreddit (fanboy temple). Quite the contrary happens usually, and this is because of Mozilla and not anyone else. Much to your chagrin, there wouldn’t be a guarantee at all that critical, non-fanboy posts would be downvoted to hell, so be careful what you wish for, it might backfire.
> Your technical knowledge is a joke
I don’t seem to remember a coward hiding behind “Anonymous” ever having conclusively refuted me here. Proof that what I am saying is a “joke”? If anything, I have actual sources for my claims, contrary to, well, you – and the rest of mob above.
Nothing wrong with a little fun. Why do you have to be so nasty?
“What do people learn from this…” said everyone about every Firefox comment you’ve ever made.
Too subtle I guess. He didn’t get it, bc if he/she did – you would have your ass smacked hard, he is brave enough to do it (who knows, he/she might even be Brave in the rebuttal?!)
@ Iron Heart
SO you are telling us that you visit Ghacks to be educated? No. Let’s be honest. You don’t expect anyone to be educated from websites like Ghacks.
But your only reason you visit such sites, including Ghacks, is your trolling abilities.
Yes we know you don’t like Firefox. You made sure of that long ago. If you dont like a product, you are away from it, you dont bother with it, you dont spend your time arquing for it, in EVERY GIVEN CHANCE you get.
You do realize that people that spend their time the way you do, have serious mental issues, dont you? If you don’t, i hope this post will start ringing a bell for your health.
“You do realize that people that spend their time the way you do, have serious mental issues, dont you?”
That’s just low. Why did you single out this person, when same could be said about multiple people here and (possibly) yourself? It’s like you were looking for some way to insult him.
I’m with Iron Heart to an extent. The herd (I wouldn’t even call it mob) mentality seems strong here. There’s a reason contrarians are as tolerated as they are – it’s precisely to counter that sort of mindset and to keep things healthy. Because sometimes the herd ends up wrong. But it seems like some places (like the ghacks comment section?) are an exception where the herd can’t stand a less popular opinion.
I liked this article, I think it has been a good reading for me. Please, do respect the writers. :]
I enjoyed this article and its lighthearted nature. Honestly, ghacks has the most vitriol-filled comments out of all the websites I frequent, other than maybe YouTube.
@the usual suspects, again
See, this is what I mean. I voice a relatively harmless opinion, namely that this article is pointless and below the usual gHacks standards. That’s a legitimate opinion, right? It’s not a personal attack at the author, either, it’s just saying that this is below his usual standard.
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Good graces, I hope you know how you come across here. Thank you for giving me an example of your aggressive mob mentality, largely unedited and ignored by the mod, which I can point to in the future if need be.
And @my main hater Gary D, the only one writing pages long replies here so far is, well, you. In response to a comment that didn’t even have much to do with FF, no less.
The impression I get here is that you have some general grievances with me which you desperately need to discuss, using every opportunity to bring up the fact that I am somehow a bad person and that you dislike me, however sadly enough for you, I don’t have time for that kind of shit.
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@ Iron Heart
“The impression I get here is that you have some general grievances with me which you desperately need to discuss, using every opportunity to bring up the fact that I am somehow a bad person and that you dislike me”
Don’t try putting others in your shoes. It’s a drawback.
“..however sadly enough for you, I donâ€™t have time for that kind of shit..”
That’s an improvement. I am Glad to see that my advice worked best for your health. Hope you will spend time wisely now.
Btw, it was my 1rst comment towards your behavior. Maybe my 3rd post or 5th post on Ghacks in TOTAL. The majority of the products in those articles? Well, i dont like them either.
But dude…you know…the “troll” definition it’s there.
> Hope you will spend time wisely now.
Too late. I’ve already engaged the usual suspects. Pointless, I know.
> Btw, it was my 1rst comment towards your behavior
How am I supposed to know? Nicks can be changed. Also, I don’t care.
> the â€œtrollâ€ definition itâ€™s there
troll â‰ critic, you don’t even know what a “troll” is.
Care to elaborate how saying that this article being below gHacks’s standards is “trolling”? It’s a legitimate opinion which you don’t like, and you also don’t like the person that uttered it, hence the name calling. Childish beyond measure.
> your health
…is none of your damn business. Also, glad to see that people get away with insults like this…
> You do realize that people that spend their time the way you do, have serious mental issues, dont you?
…while my comments are being edited for way lesser “offenses” (or what the mod reads into it). You seem to have the mod’s favor, keep it up!
Oh look, Iron Heart is having a hateboner on Firefox. Again.
Do you have nothing better to do?
In theory, I could use my time better than to argue with mindless fanboys, yes. Does that answer your question? The replies I am getting are in no way warranted by my comment.
Nightly icon looks better.
Have they come to the conclusion that it’s not the logo that’s going to save them from the continuing shrinking of their market share? (now at about 3.5%)
Well it kinda might. It fits better for mobile and thus for normies which is good.
“Firefox” was a “Red panda”, but before I knew it, it was mistaken for a “fox” of “fire”, and Mozilla adopted “Fire fox” as a common name.
However, it is officially a “Red panda”.
Mozilla Firebird became Mozilla Firefox on February 9, 2004. The name Firefox comes from the nickname of the Red panda, which became the mascot of the newly named project.
Despite the fact that the mascot of the browser is a red panda, they have a _fox_ on their logo. The author of the original logo himself said that with such a scale it was not possible to make a recognizable red panda, therefore he depicted a fox.
The story is old, but the explanation of the author of the logo is still excellently can be found by search.
@Lemegeton, Thank you for following me.
By the way, since the locale of GHacks (Martin and Ashwin) is Germany and the nationalities of the community members are diverse, I will explain the background of the naming (Firefox).
The red panda (Ailurus fulgens) is a mammal species native to the eastern Himalayas and southwestern China.
“Red panda” does not inhabit in Mozilla’s base, the United States, and was originally called “Firefox” when it was imported and exhibitioned to the United States (zoos, etc.).
The â€œnaming confusionâ€ that occurred in the United States is also a factor.
“Firefox = Red panda” that applicable in the United States does not applicable outside the United States and is recognized as “Fire” and “Fox”, and as a result of the spread of the user base outside the United States, the naming of “Firefox” has been decided…
Absolute nonsense perpetuated by people who do not even know who designed the logo!!!!!
Quote: â€œIt was the red panda. Unfortunately, people thought that the animal on the Mozilla Firefox logo was a fox.â€
If they meant for it to be a panda since the beginning and the users â€œthoughtâ€ it to be a fox, they are already lying to themselves: https://i.imgur.com/5zpPplE.png
And if you try to lecture people, politely get your facts straight first. Jon Hicks thought the panda had no value of being recognized so he opted for a japanese fox all along since the very beginning:
[The panda] didnâ€™t really conjure up the right imagery. The only concept I had done that I felt happy with was this, inspired by seeing a Japanese brush painting of a fox
So yes, it was designed a fox from the start.
The production story about the Firefox “logo” is as you commented.
You seem to have misunderstood my comment, but my comment is not about the development story of the “logo”, but about the naming of “Firefox”.
By the way,
The “Logo” story has already been reviewed by @Lemegeton.
That’s a weird but interesting history. Thanks!
Now I’m scared to update my Nightly on Android.
It’s like they have nothing better to do. I’m sad.
You’re scared to update purely because of a joke icon? People losing their minds over inconsequential crap – now *that* truly is a sad thing to behold…
The logo complexity is linearly related to the literacy in the US.
Here’s my new favorite logo https://i.imgur.com/aQ3XMYQ.png
I appreciate the icon made for Firemin; the old Swiftfox for Linux incorporated the icon:
I’m sure a more aesthetically pleasing logo could be created, but that’s a matter for media designers. I prefer something simply like the icon for the Torch Browser:
Design languages and trends come and go, skeuomorphism was arguably one of the ugliest trends and it just needs to die out completely. Minimalism makes much more sense nowadays and helps unclutter things and make them more easily distinguishable by making use of colors and gradients instead of textures. You can counter-argument all you want, but it’s been proven and there’s a reason why everything is revolving around this design philosophy.
Don’t mind the usual idiot, Ashwin. Keep writing!
If you were indeed convinced that this article isn’t very much an irrelevancy and can actually stand on its own feet, you wouldn’t need to strongly come out in defense of it or the author, would you? :D
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> Donâ€™t mind the usual idiot, Ashwin. Keep writing!
Yes. +1 as well
I don’t get the hate for Firefox on this website. Firefox it’s by far the best Browser out there.
I will never, ever, forgive mozilla for stealing my data back in 2018. I do not understand how is it so easy for people to forget about such incidents and continue to claim that firefox or mozilla respects the end user, or their privacy. They are worse than google, definitely worse than microsoft, and probably just as bad if not also worse, than the bottom of the barrel, which is facebook.
All the hate is well deserved, and it’s not only here, statistics clearly show how people are starting to see through mozilla’s continuous lies and leave this browser: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-201601-202102
How do you feel about Opera, Yuliya?
Presto Opera was my daily browser. Not a big fan of the new one. Ever since they started integrating those “services” on the sidebar I’ve lost my interest in it.
Worse than google and microsoft? You are clutching at straws.
Nothing could be more worse than those two.
Before you used firefox, you could have hardened it a bit first. It gives you all the tools to do so.
Privacy reduction by “hardening Firefox”, here we go again:
Don’t spread misinformation based on ignorance.
I was talking about hardened firefox on desktop. Are you trying to claim that firefox can not be hardened? Librewolf, tor, waterfox they must all be wasting their time then.
The only ignorance i see is from you.
Lol at graphene os, a poor substitute for the purism librem line.
> Are you trying to claim that firefox can not be hardened?
If you intend to combat fingerprinting, a hardened Firefox is not the way to do it. Read the link. It doesn’t achieve anything. perhaps makes you more unique at worst.
Is nonsense, just like any user.js applied to Firefox in order to “harden” it.
Doesn’t have the problem of Firefox because it produces a common fingerprint out of the box, whereas Firefox users stick out by trying to “improve” it in detectable ways.
Doesn’t alter the fingerprint, AFAIK. Just gets rid of telemetry, Pocket, FF Experiments, which are unrelated to fingerprinting.
> Lol at graphene os, a poor substitute for the purism librem line.
Lol, apples and oranges. By the way, no mobile OS is more secure than GrapheneOS, it’s the top of the crop currently. But hey, surely you know better than people with years of experience in the field of privacy and security, people that I point to in order to clarify the statements of ignorants.
> If you intend to combat fingerprinting, a hardened Firefox is not the way to do it. Read the link. It doesnâ€™t achieve anything. perhaps makes you more unique at worst
Lies. See my early reply if published. You are clearly not a fingerprinting expert. There is also no such thing as “mopre unique”… you keep using that word but it does not mean what you think it means
> Doesnâ€™t alter the fingerprint, AFAIK
“AFAIK” – you don’t know anything. It fucking changes the user agent. You just wanted to post something as a rebuttal. As per usual, just baseless shit flinging from Iron Heart
I have not seen anything that would indicate your own expertise about fingerprinting yet!? You say I have no clue, but what about you? All I know is that your opinion is in crass disagreement with people like Micay or Whonix or… Doesn’t that ring any bells for you?
I am not aware of any way in which Waterfox alters the fingerprint of Firefox ESR which it is based on. You are extremely aggressive yet also quite idiotic, I don’t see a point in carrying on this conversation.
> I am not aware of any way in which Waterfox alters the fingerprint of Firefox ESR which it is based on
So even after being told, you repeat the bull shit. You never know anything, do you. You never fact check.
here, try this, from a week ago
> I donâ€™t see a point in carrying on this conversation
puk puk puk, run away when confronted with the truth
I wasn’t aware that Waterfox changed the user agent, it used to be the Firefox user agent string some months ago. I do not actively monitor the Waterfox project all day. Happy now? Glad if you are.
By the way, I don’t care. I don’t use that shit.
[IronHeart comment] If you intend to combat fingerprinting, a hardened Firefox is not the way to do it. Read the link. It doesnâ€™t achieve anything. perhaps makes you more unique at worst.
I was more talking about stopping Firefox phoning back to mozilla, a lot of that can be stopped with hardening.
As for fingerprinting that is not the end all and be all.
[IronHeart comment] Lol, apples and oranges. By the way, no mobile OS is more secure than GrapheneOS, itâ€™s the top of the crop currently. But hey, surely you know better than people with years of experience in the field of privacy and security, people that I point to in order to clarify the statements of ignorants.
Again you throw all your eggs in the one basket. Just too biased, failing to consider what other options are out there.
The purism librem 5 is the only smartphone that the FSF (Free Software Foundation) recommends.
Those purism guys really know privacy, the pure OS is the OS in that smartphone
PureOS is designed to include only free/libre and open-source software (FOSS/FLOSS), and is included in the list of Free Linux distributions published by the Free Software Foundation.
Not only do they have FOSS/FLOSS in their wonderful phones, they also actively try to neuter the propietary hardware in their phones. They will get full FOSS Hardware in the not distant future.
They cost nearly 2 grand for a reason pal.
As for graphene os? i do not see them trying to actively neuter google pixels propietary garbage hardware.
2) I didn’t argue against cracking down on connections that Firefox establishes, though I think it is questionable that these are enabled by default and that Firefox is somehow considered a privacy-respecting browser while this is the case. But yeah, this kind of hardening can be done.
3) GrapheneOS does not produce smartphones and thus can’t alter the firmware of phones it can be installed on. That being said, Pure OS is a good project, achieves good privacy – but is not as good as GrapheneOS:
Note that I am not shitting on Purism or Pure OS here, it’s a fine project. I have no axe to grind here.
> GrapheneOS does not produce smartphones and thus canâ€™t alter the firmware of phones it can be installed on. That being said, Pure OS is a good project, achieves good privacy â€“ but is not as good as GrapheneOS:
Google pixel phones contain a hardware chip called the Titan M (made by google) that has its own micro processor, clock and firmware, separate from the main processor. Oh it is for security they say? BS. They only want backdoors.
It is easy to observe as to where they are heading with their their lousy cheap spying devices. What chip next? Never trust the sneaky gulag!
They use peoples smartphones to gather up information all around them, gps trackers, bluetooth etc. Nobody should ever allow a corporation like that to have so much power over peoples data.. It is disgusting.
Gulag pixel phones are poorly designed rubbish that have no hardware kill switches like purism ones do.
Hopefully Graphene OS will make their own phones ASAP, and try to neuter any potential hardware issues regarding compatibility and privacy like purism are doing, hardware kill switches for bluetooth, wifi aswell etc. Try to make the hardware FOSS. Purism leads the way.
You keep posting about that mad aidan guy as if what he says is gospel? He comes off as an attention seeker. Even in that link you posted, he is criticised.
He talks crap about purism hardware kill switches, almost as if he sounds jealous that purism have it on their phones and he is stuck with a crappy phone that has no such features and running a google pet called android.
He speaks a lot about linux being very insecure and talks down on kernel developers as if they were incompetent and somehow he knows best and what should be done to secure it.
If it was not for those kernel developers, he would not even have whonix to shill.
The only reason why many bugs and security related issues are found in Linux is because it is fully open source, things can be observed quickly.
I do not ever see that guy talking about how closed source windows or mac are theoretically even more vulnerable because the code is not out in the open. I can’t even begin to imagine the snooping ability inherent in them aswell. Yet whonix offers an install for those OS’s.
Whonix sounds stupid, especially for windows or mac. Running that inside those closed systems is fully private? i seriously doubt it. Also whonix running inside a virtual machine sounds stupid. Virtual box is known to be vulnerable and other ways of running whonix are not user friendly.
Tails and Qubes sound better.
Fingerprinting? Lol, your IP address and geolocation associated with it is MORE than enough to fingerprint you, don’t bother trying to randomize or reduce entropy of your Canvas data, it’s not gonna help. If a company wants to track/identify you, there are tons of methods of doing so that don’t require much effort.
Mozillians kind of lost the whole fingerprinting fight, since they are literally 3% and probably the easiest target always sticking out on every website they visit, regardless of their obsolete configs.
Spam (one of Iron Hearts three favorite links of out-of-content crap) and totally irrelevant. Firefox can be “hardened” for both privacy and security.
Iron Heart, please stop spamming ghacks
Also see https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/lbu6q2/why_do_people_say_chromiums_sandbox_is_better/glxjrjg/
Your claim that a configured Firefox cannot improve privacy is TRASH
You are assuming advanced fingerprinting scripts as being the only thing that matters and as if they happen on every single website: the reality is theyâ€™re very rare. But it still doesnâ€™t matter. You cannot increase entropy when you are already unique by default for these scripts. And youâ€™re not even considering changes that canâ€™t be fingerprinted.
â€œSOME changes, not all, to default Firefox COULD alter a fingerprint. IF an advanced script checks something you changed it MIGHT make you stand out more, but it LIKELY doesnâ€™t matter as you were PROBABLY already unique. Firefox ultimately needs to provide fingerprinting protection by default, like Tor Browser and Braveâ€
So fuck yes you can improve privacy by configuring Firefox. One example: changing referer behavior. Another example: disabling keywords in the urlbar. Another example: enabling privacy.resistFingerprinting which automatically confuses any naive scripts that may get to run. Another one: changing ETP to strict mode and partitioning web state (which you have now admitted improves privacy). How do those not improve privacy?
The small possibility that an advanced script successfully fingerprints you as unique, which it would do anyway if you did nothing, and can maybe be used across a large chunk of the internet to monitor you, does not undo the other 99.9999% of sites that now canâ€™t. The huge benefit exceeds the super tiny risk.
You keep pointing at Micay, but Iâ€™m not arguing about what he said. No one said that advanced scripts still canâ€™t fingerprint you as unique. No one said that enforcing anti-fingerprinting isnâ€™t required for it to work best. Iâ€™m arguing about what you said and how you applied it to reality.
Iron Heart jumping in with an over-arching generalization that you canâ€™t change ANYTHING in Firefox and you CANNOT improve itâ€™s privacy from default, which is UTTER BULLSHIT.
Sad copy and paste comment of yours. And still wrong. You can’t improve your privacy by meddling with Firefox’s fingerprint. This can be detected and you’d be highly unique. You claim that one is already unique, but first of all, you need to prove that the fingerprint of identical hardware differs for meaningful vectors and secondly, if you are unique by doing nothing, and unique by altering the fingerprint, then the latter is objectively no improvement and a complete waste of time.
Yes, I freely admit that the Micay comment is a favorite explanation of mine because it illustrates the idiocy of “hardening” Firefox (effectively making yourself more unique or at least just maintaining uniqueness) nicely. It’s an apt explanation, the very opposite of spam. It can’t be repeated often enough because some people still maintain the idiotic notion that altering the FP achieves anything.
Thank you for admitting that browsers need to fight fingerprinting by default, that’s the only way to avoid the “guy who cared” phenomenon, i.e. paranoid people changing Firefox’s defaults like crazy, while in the end still being unique. Brave and Tor avoid such issues because of sane defaults, Firefox doesn’t.
Last but not least, fingerprinting is tracking 2.0, so to speak, and it is a growing at a steady rate. Declaring it irrelevant is stupid. Assuming that fingerprinting vectors will only check for 2 or 3 values is naive and stupid (at least as far the trends are concerned). Just saying it as it is.
You can maintain that “hardening” Firefox (= imitating Tor while failing to understand why Tor has to do with by default) achieves anything of value against this growing and relevant tracking technique, but your opinion contradicts experts like Micay and it contradicts common sense (and also contradicts me, because I trust in the former two).
>Firefox can be â€œhardenedâ€ for both privacy and security.
It can’t. Firstly you cannot disable the updater, secondly you have an external component which constantly exfiltrates data off your PC, regardless of the state of your firefox profile, as it runs independently of firefox:
Size: 694752 bytes (678 KiB)
Fucking hell, not even Google Chrome is resorting to this kind of shenanigans. You keep defending this shit, mozillians.
> Firstly you cannot disable the updater
Yulia, and how is that a security/privacy improvement? Brave does the same thing.
I want to disable the updater. I don’t care what other browsers do.
> It canâ€™t. Firstly you cannot disable the updater, secondly you have an external component which constantly exfiltrates data off your PC, regardless of the state of your firefox profile, as it runs independently of firefox:
>Fucking hell, not even Google Chrome is resorting to this kind of shenanigans.
Yes you can disable the updater. In Linux it is easy.
If you were using Firefox on windoze (i presume so), you should have never expected too much privacy to begin with. Gecko depends on propietary compilers to be able install itself on windoze.
Thus, FOSS distributions of Linux can not include the Gecko package used in the Windows compatibility layer Wine.
Firefox can be hard to fully neuter on windoze, why? because well windoze!
Lol at thinking mozilla is worse than google. Christ!
>Worse than google and microsoft? You are clutching at straws.
>Nothing could be more worse than those two.
Mozilla is worse than Google, at least Google has the decency to tell you in the face they’ll do everything they can to track you everywhere you go. Microsoft has proven to listen to user-feedback for the past years, which is something that cannot be said about Mozilla.
>Before you used firefox, you could have hardened it a bit first. It gives you all the tools to do so.
And how do you know I didn’t? Why are you mozillians go so fast to blame the user? How do you know I did not disable telemetry, experiments and all the other content mozilla is pushing towards the user via about:config? There are many connections which firefox initiates the user has no control over, save for blocking them in hosts/firewall. Is that what you call privacy oriented browser?
> Is that what you call privacy oriented browser?
I agree with you that in its default unhardened state, it is not privacy orientated. There is too much stuff going on, way too much phoning back to mozilla.
It is by no means the worse from a default state perspective. Google chrome is the worse.
Firefox can be what you make it to be, don’t use it in windoze though. In fact don’t use anything on that POS OS.
That Firefox has a Windows version prevents Mozilla from offering an option to disable updates exactly how…? You can disable updates in other Windows applications, and you used to be able to in Firefox. Not that I care much about this, this is Yuliya’s business.
And Mozilla is literally a Google dependency, I expect no different from them. They are pro-censorship, and when people try to ween themselves off from abusive corporate surveillance by decentralizing, they call it the “decentralized web of hate” (yes really, look it up), just because some people misuse decentralized structures to harass others (which is bad) – but surely this doesn’t justify continued abuse of the whole world by corporate entities, eh? They make up good excuses when they serve their corporate overlords, though, kudos.
>” That Firefox has a Windows version prevents Mozilla from offering an option to disable updates exactly howâ€¦? You can disable updates in other Windows applications, and you used to be able to in Firefox
I believe Yuliya is right to be mad about forced updates, i have no problems on saying that by firefox enforcing updates on windows users, it is just a really shitty thing to do, just as shitty as windows enforcing updates.
Updates should be decided by the user!
>” And Mozilla is literally a Google dependency, I expect no different from them. They are pro-censorship
The overpaid moron of a ceo should have been fired ages ago.
Maybe Eich could come into the fold again lol.
> Microsoft has proven to listen to user-feedback for the past years
Tell that to the thousands of people whose systems microcrap crashed by ENFORCING updates that were a complete bastard to turn off for the ordinary decent men and women who just wanted to be left the hell alone.
You should realise that microcrap is very unethical.
> I will never, ever, forgive mozilla for stealing my data back in 2018
Cool anecdotal emotional story with a big scary word, bro. Zero proof. If I remember rightly, you lost some data. Maybe because of an update or a corrupt profile, or maybe because you have misunderstood what happened. You need to explain rather than shout “steal”
steal: take (another person’s property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it (digitally, it is just copied)
prove Firefox STOLE your data, prove the exfil, otherwise STFU. Source code says your claim is complete nonsense
A malicious addon, signed by mozilla, sent by themselves, in a very aggressive method I might add, which kept comming back no matter how many times you would purge it, on different machines/profiles, and firefox attempting to install it so many times to the point where it flooded the entire CPU requests once I cut its access to the “features” folder, is what you call acceptable behaviour from a company boldly claming to care about user’s privacy? What sense does it make to you to try this hardly just to find out the state of a setting?
That addon kept exfiltrating data. Mozilla did not announce it prior to deployment, nor after installation, everything was a silent operation. Do you want me to believe that addon “only sent browser version and telemetry status”? How fool you’ve got to be to believe such shady bullshit? Mozilla gave me no reason to believe the sent addon was actually compiled off that public source code they posted.
> That addon
Name the experiment. Did you NOT know how to disable experiments? I mean it has a check box for you in the settings UI. Show me a bug or change in Firefox code that fixed when experiments were disabled, that experiments were still allowed/sent.
Prove it. Give at least some details. All experiments are documented. If it happened to you, then it would have happened to many others. There would have been a massive outcry by now and at least a trail of evidence.
Stop crying wolf over your own sheer incompetence
Read before you post, I had experiments disabled.
> I had experiments disabled.
Was that the firefox monitor thing that was annoying you? I think you had to create an about:config coverage opt out string for that. Even at though, null all the telemetry https strings aswell to have been sure.
I doubt that anything too malignant was going on.
People should not have to config things to opt out though.
It should be a simple toggle in the GUI of the browser.
Mozilla should get lost with their experiments and i will admit that the cliqz thing they had for 1% of users in a certain country was shady as hell.
Not a bug about “stealing data” – it’s the coverage ping
This is what it sends
LMAO at you crying about this as if the world had ended
@Yuliya: And yet you still still feel the need to whine.
It’s annoying. You are not as bad as Iron Heart, if only barely. If you can’t move on? That’s YOUR problem.
The past should not be forgotten. It is my duty to let people know the truth about mozilla.
“While it may seem like a trivial thing on the surface,…”
Trivial?? Hardly. The logo is the best thing about Firefox, it’s what keeps me hanging on.
Definitely not trivial, it tRiGgErEd Iron Heart
what a useless article i ever seen in ghack
what a useless article I have ever seen in ghack.
< The grammar is wrong, so I've fixed it!
Here too, a fool has come forward!?
If you think it's a "useless article", just don't read it.
Those who make such comments are fools.
"Comments" should be topic "No, the Firefox logo isn't being changed" specific.
A fool like you degrades the "GHacks" and the community.
A place to exchange information such as knowledge and experience on topics that share interests.
Posts that are irrelevant to the topic and useless to the community are not needed for "GHacks".
what a useless IronHeart clone binocry is
I believe that you posted in “www.ghacks.net/2020/09/22/here-is-what-is-new-and-changed-in-firefox-81-0” the following suggestion:
“if you want to get rid of Iron Heartâ€™s FUD here, just add this to your static filters in uBlock Origin:
ghacks.net##.comment-item:has-text(Iron Heart said)
Iron Heart is gone.”
(FYI I added this to “my filters” in ubo and it works a treat)
And yes, despite supposedly hiding my comments, you still troll them. Liar.
I would actually appreciate it if your nonsensical trolling of my posts had ever stopped, but it didn’t.
@ Iron Heart
> Click on botniks link below, then look in the mirror:
Does the article remind you of anyone ??
Officially you are now a narcissist according to the above article.
> “Liar”, no.
Can you do a survey of the FF articles and tell us all exactly how many times I have “trolled” you. You are becoming more pathetic with every post you make
I remove ghacks.net##.comment-item:has-text(Iron Heart said) occassionally to see what “facts and “truth” you are posting about FF.
> Does the article remind you of anyone ??
It doesn’t, I actually get harassed here while this article talks about feigning harassment. Anyone reading this comment section sees very real harassment and not “victim playing”.
> Officially you are now a narcissist according to the above article.
> You are becoming more pathetic with every post you make
So do you, and so does your trolling. This is not the first time you troll me, I know it, you know it, anyone who reads this god forsaken blog knows it!! Your denial is both ridiculous and futile.
> I remove ghacks.net##.comment-item:has-text(Iron Heart said) occassionally to see what â€œfacts and â€œtruthâ€ you are posting about FF.
Ah, so you are addicted to me apparently. I beg you, keep that filter up from now on. Nothing useful was ever uttered by a “T J” here, while I help out others on a regular basis. Just saying.
Contribute something yourself for once before you bash others who regularly contribute. You are just one fanboy among the many.
I think it’s about time gHacks had popularity sorted comments by default. It is getting tiring seeing the same types of comments getting undue attention and replies because they are at the top chronologically.
No need to change much else. Don’t use third-party comment services or ax anonymity or anything. Just up/down vote solution that pushes down and auto-collapses (but doesn’t remove) comments below a certain threshold.
exactly! keep it possible to post as easy as it is, but give it +- buttons, let the masses decide. comments here often extend info from the article, give other possibilities or alternative solutions. or at least it used to have. I don’t have much to offer in this area, but it makes me mad when I see the same pigeons under every FF post shitting and gurgling grrrr brave grrr mozilla bad grrr.
> let the masses decide
= mob rule by fanboys. Stop manipulating people. Everyone can speak his or her mind here without a mob intervening. Including you.
Just convince “the masses” to your views and style of discussion. Easy, isn’t it? Can’t be convinced? Well, don’t bother then. Don’t waste your time. Be happy, go out for a fresh breath of air.
ghacks.net##.comment-item:has-text(Iron Heart said)
If you use ublock origin, copy the above into “my filters”. Hey Presto all Iron Heart’s comments disappear.
from Chief “Iron Heart Hater”
Man, I wish you guys would be consequent in the application of that script. But somehow you always need to remove it(?), looking what I am up to (in order to troll me, presumably). If you would mute yourselves in the way you describe, a lot of fanboyism and tribalism would disappear from here. So, just be consequent…
I agree. Thanks for pointing this out!
Upvoting and downvoting is mob rule, at its worst the rule of the 51% over the 49%. Fanboys have the right to vote just like people who aren’t complete idiots. What you hope for in reality is that I will be downvoted to hell by always the same fanboys, i.e. the mob. You even admit it:
> comments below a certain threshold.
Only hardcore fanboys could possibly get them there. So again, why should gHacks encourage mob mentality?
> but doesnâ€™t remove
How generous, I guess one has to be content with very little these days.
gHacks commenting system is fair, it discourages mob mentality and fanboyism, it discourages writing soothing replies just to please the masses, it allows everyone to speak his or her mind. Including you. Why change this? The moderator can still censor me if he thinks that my comments go a step too far, you know.
Next time I’ll let the usual obnoxious fanboy replies through before I comment, so that I do not offend the sensibilities of Your Majesty. How dare I comment when I happen to have the time, ts ts ts…
> Upvoting and downvoting is mob rule
What’s the matter? Afraid of being exposed as a complete * [Editor: removed, please stay polite]
No, just describing how mob rule usually works. I wouldn’t be the only one affected, either.
I agree 100%.
ghacks articles are great.
ghacks comments are absolutely nasty. It’s all just people screaming at each other over which web browser is the least evil, or crying about how evil Microsoft is whenever anything related to Microsoft (even positive things) is written about, or getting laughingly bent out of shape over lighthearted articles like this.
Pfft trying to censor comments that attack failzilla/wokefox?
binocry resorts to childish “name-calling” during discussions with the intentions of gaining advantage over, or defending himselves or his master Iron Heart from, others. Often such name-calling takes the form of labelling a browser as an unreliable and untrustworthy quantity, such as use of the term “failzilla” or “wokefox”. Often this is done to deflect and misdirect from the real issue,which is that Iron Heart is a [editor: insert you own choice of epithets here]
> Often this is done to deflect and misdirect from the real issue,which is that Iron Heart is a [editor: insert you own choice of epithets here]
…a good yet annoyed person with a minority opinion getting in contact with toxic fanboyism?
Yes, the majority (being the majority only here and on r/firefox, not anywhere else) terrorizing the minority. Nothing new under the sun.
@IH Nice that you mentioned r/firefox which went to full retard-mode not so long time ago. Damage control is sometimes brutal.
Careful now, I get roasted for questions like this.
I use Firefox almost exclusively and I still don’t care about whether the icon changes or not.
I dislike these modern bare-look logos – I seem them in many places now. My favorite FF logo was v3.5-22 (6-2009 to 6-2013).
Debating the browser icon is the last thing that is still allowed by Mozilla. No, correct that, I saw them remove posts with totally innocuous and friendly humor about the icon for being too critical. A moving internal free speech debate ensued. “We 100% support you for banning everywhere you have some official or undisclosed control on those who mention negatively Google Analytics in Firefox or Firefox private data processing for advertising, but we’re not like those tinfoil hats and conspiracy theorists, we love your company and everything it does, we’re on your side, so please let us joke about the logo”. The answer was still negative at that time. In the deception-based industry of surveillance, where image is everything, the public company perception must be controlled with an iron grip.
And because you called Mozilla a non-profit, let me expand that Mozilla is not a real non-profit, the foundation is just a thin shell on top of a for-profit adwhore company, “Mozilla Corporation”, because the IRS told them that their business model was not legally compatible with a public charity. To those who donate, be aware that none of your money will go to browser development. Stating that last fact is no longer tolerated either on Mozilla’s internet.
I am here to remind you all how much Firefox sucks and how my Brave browser is the bees knees of cutting edge technology.
In Brave we trust.
Interesting tidbit. What I don’t understand is why “Firefox” has to exist as a brand, lending its name to a variety of products. The name “Firefox Browser” is especially ludicrous because it’s practically a tautology. What’s wrong with “Mozilla Lockwise” etc?
Not a remotely interesting development outside the brief mainstream audience and desperate Firefox fans this meme has captured.
But, it’s interesting to see the seething upset this article has provoked. You could just not comment, move on, and avoid playing the supposedly brave victim here.
Will someone please do the right thing and ban that hack Iron Heart? He is ruining this site with his constantly argumentative attitude. He has nothing positive to contribute to the discussion. It dilutes the usefulness of the real content for people who come here to learn something. It’s getting old and it’s time to stop!
Call for censorship No. 100131202131923
@Iron Heart: https://xkcd.com/1357/
Oops, did I reveal the real intention here?
“argumentative attitude”. it’s like this guy/girl says sth, sb else posts a question regarding the latter or even worse – arguments with that. And even if Iron Heart’s statement A, B, C are torn down or constructively opposed, he/she brings up D,E,F. And it’s never ending. Yeah I read it, just like following tabloids. Nothing productive comes from it, or maybe just admiration to ones who care to discuss his/hers views. It’s annoying. And post voting would clearly show the prefference on this matter. Who knows, maybe IH’s post would end on top of comments?
The value of ghacks was always in good, informative articles and reviews, enriched by the best comments section I’ve seen. Maybe I don’t look in many places, but most of them are eaten up by cancer of anonimity and trolling. It came some time ago. Do you remember times, where Palemoon news were posted more often? There were wars in comments, true. But of other quality than this BS. Is this why we don’t read about PM nowadays?
1) I very seldomly receive “constructive opposition”, more often than not I receive blatant, in your face fanboyism in response. Yes, that includes you.
2) A voting system is just mob rule by fanboys. You must be unaware of the toxic community here, my posts will never be on top no matter the quality(!). I would be targeted based on nick name alone, and would have to change it frequently to avoid that. The fanboys want to group-downvote / harass, and in order to achieve this, gHacks, where everybody has an equal voice so far, needs to be reshaped.
3) Pale Moon doesn’t get reported because of the community being toxic (not everybody, just a general observation). The same is also true for the FF community. See the parallel? Seeing the toxicity of the community, and although I know that it’s a pipe dream: There is hoping that the same will happen to FF articles after the browser hits < 1% market share in the not too distant future. This community here deserves it, in my opinion.
1) I recall few posts by Pants for example.
2) No, its not. There is no mob group, fanboy club here. There is no community as it’s a open for everyone place.
3) I disagree. But if don’t feel good here, why bother? Community – see pt 2.
> I recall few posts by Pants for example.
Pants is sacrosanct in the eyes of the mod, so I can’t write here what I originally wrote. Let’s just say that my experiences with her were much different.
> No, its not. There is no mob group, fanboy club here. There is no community as itâ€™s a open for everyone place.
I think this comment section proves you wrong. I mean, look at it. No mob?
> I disagree.
The toxicity of some comments here match or outdo the ones that appeared under Pale Moon articles, so why shouldn’t FF articles suffer the same fate? Just my opinion, though, I am not writing the articles after all. Just saying that feeding a community with that kind of attitude is not the best of ideas IMHO.
What the frick are you? A Ghacks supercommenter that everyone must listen to? The Ultimate Truth About Every Aspect Of Firefox? It is getting a little bit annoying, to put it mildly.
I think this comment section sums up a toxic community in a nutshell. A point of reference which I can (and will) use in the future to demonstrate how even a legitimate criticism of the quality of an article(!) can blow up in one’s face here as long as the topic of the article is FF. The amount and content of replies that I am getting here is nothing short of insane, and honestly, every reasonable human being would be appalled at what is going on here, without the mod seriously intervening.
Again, thanks for giving me a point of reference here.
There is nothing wrong with quality of the article, that’s the thing. It’s good in terms of journalism – and I know what I’m talking about. It’s informative about “current affairs in FF”. Well, let’s be honest – not very serious one, but still personally I enjoyed reading it. It’s not like an article about crisis in Venezuela or power struggle in US congress. It shows some background, outcome. Just read your post – you bash both quality, author, site and FF in the end. In this particular order.
There was no “bashing” involved here, not of FF and not of the author. No idea how you read that into my initial post here. I think the article is nonsense, yes, and that’s a 100% legitimate opinion (which, I believe, would have gone unopposed if I wrote under a different pseudonym). You can’t justify the responses I get by my initial comment, these people are just being toxic, hating on me as per usual. That should be very clear to everyone reading this comment section.
But in the end, you guys are shooting yourselves in your own collective feet, this comment section only shows how toxic the Firefox fanbase on gHacks truly is, and very little beyond that.
“The most useless article of the year on gHacks, perhaps. ”
“and adhere to higher quality standards.”
I’m holding my fingers crossed for either voting system, or a simple ban for you.
As far as I can tell, gHacks has no need to please * [Editor: removed] that wants to downvote for petty reasons. Sorry to say.
Iâ€˜d react to this by changing my nick, like, daily, and I hope you also know that â€ždownvotingâ€œ is not a one way street.
What you’re saying is not absolutely senseless
The second problem is that ultimately people are just tired of you bashing on Firefox repeatedly. When it comes down to it, you did this on nearly every single Firefox article. Several people just want to see discussion of the article itself, but ends up seeing your complain again and again…and again and again and again and again.
And really, Ashwin already said the important bit about logo being very important to the product’s image. You just don’t care, since it’s all about FF bashing.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. People are just tired of your comment and finally starts expressing it.
Your hate is my pride, just saying it as it is. I have the right to have a different opinion, I have the right to express it, and yes I also bear the consequences, which in this case is butthurt fanboys reacting.
I am not “bashing” FF, I have my (legitimate) reasons to be negative about the product, just like others have their reasons for a positive attitude toward it. Both are legitimate. The problem is the strong fanboyism in this comment section, to which I can only say, again: Your hate is my pride.*
*I don’t want people to hate me, but if that is a necessary byproduct of you guys disliking my argument, then so be it. Nothing I can do about that, this problem lies exclusively with you.
@Iron Heart: Ok, then feel free to suffer. Callous? Sure, but you said it yourself: you want it.
If you think spending your life bashing a product on a small website is your thing, then honestly stop complaining when others push back.
It’s like you want to have both ways: you say there that you’re willing to accept criticism, yet your original post is complaining about that in the first place.
Not that I think you have anything better to do, anyway.
> Ok, then feel free to suffer.
Glad you admit that this is why you are here, it’s called “trolling”. You think you aren’t being toxic while saying this? OK.
Also, please, don’t presume that you can lord over how I use my time. None of your business.
Firefox has had one ugly ass logo since 2013 when they instaded that rainbow vomit that hardly resembles a fox at all and since then they have kept devolving it and making it uglier and more siplistic and thus idiotic.
Here is a reference on the logo history of Firefox: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/eb/6f/21/eb6f21a0d8e7fbb26bede6f21fe40000.png
The last beautiful logo was that of Firefox 3.6.x.
Chrome is guilty of the game – their first logo from 2008 was the coolest and most beautiful and since them they’ve been devolving it and over-simplifying it, at least it’s more bearable to look at compared to the rainbow vomit that is current Firefox’ logo.
Eh, beauty is subjective. I mean, I honestly like the more stylized logo myself.
Well, specifically the current one. At least it’s still recognizably a fox. Does look nice to me. The brushstroke only one, not so much.
130 comments and counting… o_o
After all, Iron Heart’s comments caused an uproar.
The essence of the uproar is because your claims to be “legitimate” and refuses to listen to differing opinions (you are hostile to them), but you still don’t understand that your opening comment itself is problematic, and you are making no apologies.
Everyone is “reply” to what is posted content.
Since you still don’t seem to understand the genesis of the “uproar” over this topic, let me clarify!
The comment below is a slander against “Author, the community, and Article editing rights” stemming from your egocentric.
â‘ The most useless article of the year on gHacks, perhaps.
â‘¡ That is, they educate people.
â‘¢ Mozilla changed the Firefox Nightly logo to some stupid shite because they are desperate for attention, so what?
â‘£ away from publishing articles about this kind of PR stunt
â‘ , â‘£:
You bemoan the fact that you are being “slammed by the community,” but have you ever thought about the people who are being hurt by your comments?
The biggest victim of your comment is “Ghacks” and the author may be traumatized.
Ghacks (Martin, Ashwin) is not AI robots. They’re a human being with the same delicate emotions as us. They’re happy when you thank them, and sad (depressed) when you blame them. if they are blamed. The relationship between the site and the user is minority vs majority. Some users are foolish or do not understand. Although users do not know the actual situation of the other party, it is the “responders, here it is Ghacks (Martin, Ashwin)” who are really exposed to a difficult and painful position. I know people who suffer from depression, mental illness, and commit suicide because of the “harshness” of their customer service. This is called CUSTOMER HARASSMENT and is a serious “human rights violation.”
It is just your “unjust suspicion”. The essence of the article is different and the community understands it.
The community is not an infant. Each is an adult with insight. It is not an “educate people” but an awareness, hint, and aid perspective.
To the community, you have replied with the insulting term “Firefox (Mozilla) fanboys”, but no one by that name. Gentlemanly, you should reply with respect.
Such an attitude (wording) that you insult and curse the other person is perceived as “Provoke a fight”, and it has developed into a trading barbs.
A community is a place to exchange skills (knowledge and experience) and other information, and a group of people who share a common goal, even if they differ in means. Just because they have different tastes and values, if they are “hostile”, they will cause a turmoil.
* [Editor: Removed, please no suggestions on another readers state of mind]
Finally, I say to everyone in the community!
Ghacks is a community. We are equals, regardless of our skills, and we should be “respectful” to everyone!
Don’t use ridiculous names or expressions!
Ghacks has full discretion, and will not tolerate language that violates (or desecrates) editorial rights.
Let’s focus on the topic!
I am just tired by you at this point. You dissect my first comment, reading things into it that are just not there (yet you wish were there, apparently).
> The essence of the uproar is because your claims to be â€œlegitimateâ€ and refuses to listen to differing opinions (you are hostile to them), but you still donâ€™t understand that your opening comment itself is problematic, and you are making no apologies.
Yes, my opinion is legitimate. Some people might find this article useful, some might not. Doesn’t mean that the latter is not a legit position to take. And “differing opinions”, pretty please, the idiotic and insulting replies I receive disqualify themselves for the term “opinion”.
> Since you still donâ€™t seem to understand the genesis of the â€œuproarâ€ over this topic, let me clarify!
I think I understand better than you do, but hey, let’s read on.
> slammed by the community
*slammed by a select group of * [Editor: removed, can you please stop using the term, it will be edited out each time]
> people who are being hurt by your comments
> and the author may be traumatized
> delicate emotions
> CUSTOMER HARASSMENT
“The community is not an infant.”
> It is just your â€œunjust suspicionâ€.
No it’s not. There is literally a related pic in the article.
> The essence of the article is different and the community understands it.
Yeah, articles with an actual essence is what I want. I think our basic definitions of essence differ. Let’s just agree to disagree here, is that OK?
> To the community, you have replied with the insulting term â€œFirefox (Mozilla) fanboysâ€, but no one by that name. Gentlemanly, you should reply with respect.
I’d be glad to reply with respect in case I get respectful replies. It’s not a one way street.
> Such an attitude (wording) that you insult and curse the other person is perceived as â€œProvoke a fightâ€, and it has developed into a trading barbs.
In case you’ve missed it, I didn’t (justifiably) use the word * [Editor: removed] until after the first * [Editor: removed] have already appeared. You say this like I am using this word unprovoked and without reason, being the one to start a fight, but this is clearly not what happened here.
> Ghacks has full discretion, and will not tolerate language that violates (or desecrates) editorial rights.
When I write such a comment, it is with the implicit assumption that Martin and / or Ashwin have something resembling of a spine and can take the criticism. Again: They are free to publish whatever they want, nobody denies this. And I, the reader, am free to find specific topics silly or pointless. I can write a comment expressing that sentiment, and yes, they can ban it, but if they did, it would be fairly pathetic, hence why they didn’t. Again, a grown up adult can be expected to swallow that pill. You say this as if I had just insulted Martin’s family or his whole work life so far, geez, whatever you read into my comments here is just not there except in your imagination.
I already expect you to write yet another reply to me about me being “unrepentant” or some BS, but if we have reached the point where one can no longer find specific articles mute or pointless, then we have finally proven that this community has serious issues with even mild criticism.
> Removed, please no suggestions on another readers state of mind
Geez, behave yourself. You are not particularly creative with this either – other people, whose business it is not, have already suggested that I am somehow deranged. But you know what is also deranged? The kind of over the top, insulting, dehumanizing replies that I am getting in response to me saying that the article is (in my opinion) pointless (Seriously: Dafuq?). That’s the real problematic thing here.
I find it ridiculous that I am forced into the defensive here and have to “justify myself” for writing a 100% OK reply just expressing my sentiment towards the article. This is RIDICULOUS.
> I am just tired by you at this point. You dissect my first comment…
so now you know how everyone feels about you now. This is exactly what you do, but exponentially more. You just keep posting the same shit over and over, often dissecting replies line by lines, going off topic, attacking people, name-calling, and then playing the victim. As a seasoned * [Editor: removed, please stay polite], you shouldn’t be surprised when people complain about your obsessive behavior
You want it that way if you react to harmless criticism of the article in this manner. Perhaps you should ask yourself if your manner of replying is warranted by my comment in the first place (it’s not).
If you do not like what I write, do not read it, or when you feel that you must react to it, do it in a manner that is much worse than any of my own comments. Anything else is just tiresome hypocrisy coming from people out to bash me.
*not much worse
I don’t hate you.
Your words and actions in the past have always been “serious, well-founded, and useful.”
I also sympathize with your extraordinary interest in browsers and their appreciation for “Brave”. (I highly value “Brave” as a reliable browser)
I dare to alert you because your “behavior” or “wording” creates imitation (as acceptable).
Ghacks are attracting attention from web users and vendors around the world.
That’s because the timely current affairs about the “Web” are properly published and “Comments” are published as a community.
The important thing is the health of the community.
We must strive to “maintain dignity, be fair, free, diversity, be tolerant, and pay respect to each person”.
Above all, the quality of posts (In line with the topic, Beneficial to the community) is important.
Influential Iron Heart and regular commentators are seen as a reference point for “dignity.”
Iron Heart and regular commentators, including myself, must be aware of this in order to improve the dignity of the community.
As a supplementary commentary:
About CUSTOMER HARASSMENT,
Although you and end users may not understand it, the reality of “CUSTOMER HARASSMENT” is serious (there are many problems with users’ misunderstandings, beliefs, and comprehension, and they cannot communicate properly. Many users are become enraged, one-sidedly harassed). Customer support (face-to-face, telephone, chat, E-Mail) in the many “service industries” has been abolished. â€œCompetent human resourcesâ€ engaged in customer support have suffered from mental disorders, resulting in a temporary leave, transfer request, and retirement, making it difficult to maintain customer support. Due to such factors, Microsoft and Google have also abolished “between people customer support” and moved to the online document (FAQ) format.
@Iron Heart: “If you do not like what I write, do not read it”
You might want to look yourself in the mirror before you post this.
I wouldn’t write this if the replies I receive were not idiotic. When you react with hate, insults etc., then better not read my comments, or if you need to reply, ask yourself whether or not your reply is fitting in tone.
I do not think I have overstepped here by calling the article “pointless” (that’s a legitimate opinion, remember?), this is not exactly insulting. And as tiresome as it is to point it out over and over and over again: This criticism is not meant to shit on the article after the fact, but rather at the author maintaining a certain article quality in the future.
And yet you can’t see your own hypocrisy.
Dude, that’s not my problem. That’s yours.
Again, you can still choose not to read or comment. Like every single time you chose to comment on Firefox articles even though you don’t need to.
It does fit into your lack of self-awareness, at any rate.
“thatâ€™s a legitimate opinion, remember?” And it’s our legitimate opinion to say you’re * [Editor: please keep it civil] and should stop this stupidity.
> compares the hatred directed towards one poster with a minor criticism of how article topics are selected here
> cites lack of self-awareness
OK. Better look up what “self-awareness” means, after that, look up the term “projection”.
> If you do not like what I write, do not read it
Hypocrisy at it’s finest. Do as Iron Heart says, not as he does
Iron Heart reads article of own free will, then shit-posts the author and website. As per any such occurrence on any website, said poster (Iron Heart) is reminded to stop being a dick.
That argument doesn’t apply in my instance. I chose to read your comments, but it does not negate the fact that the frequency, repetition, length, and animosity in them detract from the comments section .. in hundreds of Firefox articles. It’s an observation of the inevitable consequence of not being able to ignore the sheer number of Iron Heart comments, if I am to read ghacks comments and learn more
â€œIf you do not like what I write, do not read itâ€ says Iron Heart, which is exactly what dozens of people told him to do after his useless first stupid comment. The stupid, it burns.
You think the replies I am getting are comparable to what I wrote about this article. The stupid, it burns.
Still playing the victim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
* [Editor: removed, play stay on topic, and please stop talking about “mobs” being after you]
It’s funny how you keep complaining about mobs going after you, when in fact people are just tired of your behavior.
It’s not like people are organized off-site to try and harass you. They just saw your behavior again and again while just wanting to see discussion about the article…then get derailed by you or Yuliya bashing on Firefox. Thus, they want to put a stop to it. This article is just a breaking point of a few of them.
Again, you might want to follow your own advice and not comment on articles you don’t want to read.
I hope you and the other *totally not insulting* commenters will follow my advice in the future and no longer harass my comments, especially when they reflect a 100% OK opinion. You are behaving as if you were still in kindergarten and as if I had just stolen your favorite candy somehow, but that is fundamentally not my problem, you see.
I think anyone can form his or her own opinion from reading this comment section. People don’t need interpreters, you know.
I believe that people are bound to notice that the ones howling insults at me are from a certain *ahem* faction. Let readers judge for themselves, what I do doesn’t escape their attention, and what you do here also doesn’t escape their attention.
Just another name for your imaginary “mobs”. Still victim blaming I see. Just admit you upset lots of people and move on, instead of constantly bitching and making excuses. Get some help.
>I think anyone can form his or her own opinion from reading this comment >section
We need just one browser. Get the great reset going and then all under one roof and make just one world browser..is coming but most have still no clue what is coming.
Ohw and EMF’s will get a nasty tail but this will be deleted I think :) over 1000studies now -> saferemr.com
Please do more articles about memes and trends on social. In fact, you should start your own gossip blog about it.
someone need to fork firefox for better privacy