YouTube And Vevo: What's The Deal?
YouTube has been one of the prime locations for music buffs around the world to view music videos and listen to music.
Many record companies and individual artists use YouTube to promote their products, but the vast majority of music videos uploaded to YouTube come from users.
Users who have been searching for music on YouTube that is distributed by the major record labels Universal Music Group, Sony Music and EMI might have already noticed that something has changed today.
Songs by popular artists like Lady Gaga, the Beastie Boys or Michael Jackson show now up with a Vevo tagging that is asking users to visit the Vevo website.
Those YouTube users who wonder why should read the announcement over at the official YouTube blog. Google has apparently struck a deal with record labels which combines YouTube technology and the record labels catalog at the new destination.
You can play the moves on YouTube still, provided that the service is available in the country you are connecting from.
While it might make sense to build a new service that is specialized in music videos, its current incarnation is everything but perfect. Here are a few reasons why:
- Vevo is only available to users from the United States. The funny thing is that it is still possible to view those music videos on YouTube even if you are not from the United States. On Vevo however, music is limited to users from certain regions of the world. Update: Availability improved over the years.
- It seems that the transfer to Vevo has erased previous comments and ratings of some videos.
- Vevo seems to come with additional advertisement and a few features like displaying song lyrics and artist profiles
The strategy is not really clear at this point. It could be that the parties have planned to move all of the music videos completely to Vevo so that YouTube users move to the new site for their music fix. That is, if they are from the US.
More likely is however that the record labels hope to push Vevo using YouTube's vast user numbers without losing any of the revenue videos on YouTube are generating for them.
Have you tried Vevo yet? What's your experience?
I tried Vevo this morning a couple of times and it just plain didn’t load. I don’t know what the deal was, though I can’t really say I’m surprised. Hopefully it’s resolved now.
I was trying to register at Vevo but the connection always times out.
Will try it later I guess.
didn’t mind ads on my screen or pop up at the bottom for a second, but to FORCE me to watch an ad before the video is just not right!
When a video in Youtube is shown with VEVO does anyone know how to download the video FLV file? It was possible before with YouTube – http://mac-dvd.com/mac-guide/how-to-download-youtube-video-on-mac-for-free.html- , but it does not work with Vevo.
Hey Jerome – that’s illegal and that’s one of the main reasons they are switching to Vevo so people can stop stealing content without paying the proper people who made the music and videos.
@fin
VeVo uses Adobes RTMPe protocol, read adobes blog site
OK, first off…
RTMPE was created so you could have a secure channel to send and recv data packets. Not to “DRM”(Digital Rights Management) media. The encrypted transmission of media isn’t considered DRM.. The transmission of encrypted media is. Adobe is sending the media over the wire without any content protection.
People are missing the point and assuming that this was Adobe’s attempt at Digital Rights Management. It wasn’t. It was merely a way to protect from packet sniffing to allow privacy on a channel. Users are allowed to unencrypt this. It’s their right.
If your content is important to you, Adobe created Flash Media Rights.
Posted by: andy | September 29, 2008 09:31 AM
funny you should say that seeing how they EARN money by simply adding that ad you get in their videos, plus the money youtube makes from their own ad’s, the artist gets money from the number of views ” downloads “, in general once you click on a song thumbnail to listen to at least 3 parties gets money from that click, whats so illegal in downloading whats right for you to download?
P.S: once u watch a video its automatically downloaded to your computer, all you do is copy-paste whats already yours from YOUR computer, just moving it from once place to another..
How can somebody pay for a music video or song that isn’t even sold anymore? Some songs/albums are very hard to come by.
@fin
I’m nearly 100% sure that you’re wrong.
And if that were the case, rest assured that the people who knew how do download their videos and music, will continue to do so VEVO or now. Now excuse me while I rewatch the bad romance video I download and converted for my psp. thankyouhaveaniceday.
@anonanimal
All you’ve done is confirm my point.
confirmed***
I don’t see how. All I’ve done is confirm that video’s are in fact downloaded from YouTube for for portable entertainment and that, yes, there are still ways to do it. Your statement was that actions such as mine were the reason that the switch to VEVO was made. In fact you said that it was the main reason. I stand by my statement that you are wrong. Unless you can provide a quote from a YouTube rep agreeing with you? Well?
It’s like saying that kidnappings are the main reason developers began including GPS/aGPS in cell phones. Sure, the two subjects are like circles in a Venn diagram, overlapping in some fringe areas, but if you actually look at what’s being presented as a whole instead of drawing conclusions you see that the two topics are generally unrelated. As is the case with this.
Look I’m not saying that the church going, Palin advocates like yourself (the good old fashioned Americans) aren’t valid; going on mini internet crusades of lawful advocacy. Shutting down the idle curiosity with your scripture of nay. But perhaps your compass isn’t the one pointing north.
The bit about being a church going palin lover is irrelevant and unnecessary. I do apologize for the “name calling.” As neither of those points are negative in nature and shouldn’t be used as such.
@sea anemone
Yes it is quite irrelevant as I am an atheist and couldn’t give a fuck if Palin fucked a moose.
Fuck off and go download illegally you bitch.
its no offense to you Fin but anon is somewhat right, people that download videos for their personal use are protected by fair use law. This is not the same as sharing video files or music files through a P2P network. These videos are from the host, and can be downloaded through a glitch in their network or a purposely left open loop hole. They just dont want people reproducing or selling.
excuse me but no, downloading music videos through vevo that are owned by EMI is not protected by any fair use law. you are missing the point.
aye sea how you download vevo videos?
Well if YouTube wanted to make it’s video’s slower and placate the RIAA/ MPAA w/ more ads – combined with a massive takedown of any videos that don’t have the VEVO stamp of approval – well they succeeded.
I didn’t get it at first but damn…it seems the corporations are winning in their takeover of the Internet and why shouldn’t they? Rich white conservatives own all the media…it was only a matter of time before they got the internet. Even this page had some idiotic ad survey swooping down to try & grab my attention before I could finish typing the first sentence.
So this is Corporate America’s version of the Internet? As much advertising as they can force our consumer eyeball’s to take in – with java and flash and toothpicks prying our eyes open if necessary. All to justify Americans supposedly not paying for “content” that they don’t already pay out the nose for to their ISP’s and for a PC, and software…and god…why not just permanently indebt Americans from birth for their tech bills & “rights” to media.
Will someone please finally assert that corporations ARE NOT people!
So far, it’s driving me up the goddamn wall. I have been trying to watch that video — that particular video, as a matter of fact — for days, It keeps stuttering — it’ll go for a few seconds, loadloadload, go for a few seconds, &c &c. And I’m giving it time to load, and this is hardly a slow computer!
I am incredibly underimpressed.
To: Vevo Sucks
Try being a musician that doesn’t get paid because people download illegally and then talk to the corporations.
You don’t make any sense. You want the computer….you want the internet…you want the media… but none of the people who created each of these things needs to be paid? Get a life.
Try leaving you on a stranded island with some materials and see if you come up with anything close to a computer, the internet or an album of music that people want to listen to.
Chances are none of those would happen and you would be alone because you want everything for no money.
How about this for a change? Just don’t use your computer, don’t use the internet…the ads are too much for our poor baby’s eyes. So sad that ads freak people out. haha – How else would you be watching ANY of these videos (which are essentially advertisements in themselves anyway) without ads to pay for the multitude of access youtube is providing?
you don’t know how the music industry works.
Most starting musicians don’t get royalty payments for their songs or albums, most of them initially make their money from appearances and concert tours. They get their royalty once they’ve established themselves more in the industry and create their own record label.
no, i know exactly how the music industry works. im not saying artists get paid by videos watched on goddamn youtube.
Well excuse us if musician in america get paid 1 million dollars instead of 15 million because of the pirating. what a shame for people losing 15 millions for a song..i’m embarresed im soooo sorryyy musicians for allllll your harrrrrrd work. i know it’s hard to lift up a guitar or microphone…and make music.im so sory if its hard to singggg omg.. if only i had the courage to lift up my microphone make a song and get thousands…
THANK-YOU!!! for saying that… people are so selfish, do they not realize there are ppl friggin starving in the world, probably those who can sing, and play better than they can… smh.
First of all, musicians don’t get paid nearly as much as you imagine. Perhaps the top 40 bullshit that some of you listen to get paid decently but most of the artists and bands out there (especially rock bands or artists that have really only had a couple of hits) barely make enough to feed themselves. Most artists these days are in debt from paying for what it takes to make it. Only very few succeed financially.
Nice.
So there is no program in existence to download Vevo videos?, I would like to download some and it´s a crap that we are not able..
I am from another country and I can watch the videos, yeah, very slowly, but still can watch, but it seems I am not the only person who cannot download the videos.. I wonder if it exists a crack or something to fix that … :(
I hate Vevo!! ..well, I have to admit it has a very good resolution, but yet …
My Vevo experience is underwhelming to say the least. The videos won’t load. They’ll play for a few seconds then just sit there, then play for a few seconds, then just sit there…you get the picture. I’ve even experienced total computer freeze – on a Mac – if I don’t get out of there soon enough. Whoever is in charge of their site better fix it fast or else they’re going to lose their startup money. Why would YouTube be associated w/sloppy work like this? Lame.
i want do download them so i can watch offline im not aloude on net much but pc i am so i need to dl them
Vevo SUCKS, when I see a video is hosted on the VEVO channel I close the page immediately.
worst part is, once the video plays if you try to replay it, you have to wait another 15 minutes for it to buffer all over again. bullshit and F.U>
Half the time I use it, it doesn’t load when using Vevo Youtube channels. The other half of the time, it loads slowly, and all the videos are in pretty low quality.
THis fin guy cracks me up, because he is obviously just an angry person, who still does not understand at all what he’s talking about. what a douche. a perpetually virgin, douche.
you are the douche sir. i was speaking about a specific situation pertaining to a person that wanted to download videos via vevo who as complaining he couldnt download them. there are other outlets to obtain music videos, legal ones.
Fin, now I only read a few posts about you bitching but you do realize the music industry makes millions more dollars with the help of illegal downloading right? If all illegal downloading were to stop the music industry would basically have a heart attack. Think about it before you bitch at me.
ugh vevo just sucks. really bad.
to top it all off, music videos from UMG are gone…well, most of them anyway. the only video in universalmusicgroup are VEVO ones. ARRRRGHHHH!!!!
it loads then plays then stops. after i finish watching the video, i click replay then it has to load ALL OVER AGAIN. dammit!!!!
its too slowwww ; takes a lot of time
minute video plays pause it then refresh page done enjoy listening to music with out adds.. thats how i do smiles :-D
Man, I’m so fucking tired of watching those piece of shit ads before the video. Who wants to see those shit ads anyways?
vevo sucks! it takes forever to load eachtime i watch a video
What’s wrong with Google / Youtube, are they that greedy that they decide to put annoying ads in the one place they know we will look, also its annoying the overall number of adverts! I freakin hope someone DDOSes Google and Youtube. Greedy Bastards.
Adam Cooper- greedy bastards? i think you’re the greedy bastard for expecting everything to be given to you free! adverts pay for youtube etc, so we dont have to. same goes to all you other whining faggots out there. if its that much of a problem, id say use adblock, but you selfish morons would probably whine that the maker is asking for donations.
Vevo doesn’t work in my country
this does http://www.tv243.com
also grabs music videos to shuffle from youtube
love it because i cand find similar artists like last.fm
Vevo is annoying. I wonder what else they’ll think to take over…
vevo SUCKS! it always stops when im listening to a video or a song i know it may do that sometimes because the computer has to proccess the vidoe so it can play it without stopping the second time the person listens to it, but this ALWAYS happens on vevo. (well you know what i say to you Vevo………….YOU ARE STUPID) thanks for reading
VevO blows…
takes 20 mins to watch a 4 min video so….. I downloaded it on Limewire in 1 min and a half … problem solved.
fuck u vevo.
to all of you… Stop your bitching and go back to the days when we all used to download videos and music, except now were not using napster its limewire.
BE BRAVE AND TAKE UP SPACE ON YOUR PRECIOUS 200gig HARD DRIVES. WE DID IT WHEN HARD DRIVES WERE 20 GIGS WHY CANT WE DO IT NOW.
Fin is possibly the most retarded person here.
He/she partook in an argument on the internet. It’s like partaking in the special olympics – even if you win, you’re still retarded.
thats it… stroke your ego.. stroke your ego…
Vevo or not, they still use Adobe Flash and .flv. So in order to download a video, you just need to grab the URL from your browser’s activity log. Mac, Win, Linux — works the same, just not all browsers may have an activity log.
vevo sucks to high heaven it does not even compare to your tube
I have been constantly checking back everyday to see if anyone replies to my comments. I can say, without a doubt, I have no life.
Fin, how long did it took you to notice? lol.
I just wish the emails would stop coming lol
I hate Vevo. It never loads quickly.
people shouldn’t be downloading the videos anyway. as for the pop up ads. hate them.
Vevo SUCKS, it takes forever to load and i hate it. Thing sometimes i have to watch a video with that thing and it annoys me a whole lot..
i hate it, its hard to find an official video that isn’t vevo. even with my very built computer it takes forever to load, no such thing as seamless streaming anymore. Vevo, please go away!
I dont know why people say its slow. it works on my 4 year old laptop really well. maybe I am just lucky. but I hate the damn ads. and to those who say musicians lose money from downloading the videos, they lose very very little. the record companies make the most off promotional material like that. the bands and artists make the most off concerts.
People, dont EVER click on the first video link on youtube anymore. Click on the ones with lyrics. They ACTUALLY work. I agree with everyone who says Vevo sucks ***. And anyone wishing to start a petition please just comment saying so. I will copy,paste, send, get revenge, and destroy youtube’s acclaimed Vevo.
you know…. other then the retards that are using some program they got from their friend, anyone that’s really a tech head or just someone with basic computer knowledge will be able to rip Anything from any website. Vevo sucks, its slower then a normal youtube video, it has forced advertisements at the beginning, i much rather have the little pop up at the bottom. It doesn’t work if you happen to leave the country or travel the world. And it freezes up if you try to swap videos to many times to quickly and crashes Mozilla firefox, internet explorer (but what doesn’t i mean really..) google chrome, and opera.
all of them freeze up and crash if you try to swap videos too much. thank god for firefoxes ability to save your webpages at least…
As soon as i see the VEVO logo I hit the back button.
I will not sit through a slow/choppy download or watch forced ads.
I hate when corporations hi-jack a good thing.
Terrible idea for YouTube to hook up with VEVO.
VEVO SUCKS
Good man, Brian.
The creators of YouTube would turn in their graves if they saw what YouTube has become these days. The only thing worse than VEVO is VIMEO, oh, and Google Analytics.
Mike.
Same old story…
What starts out as ‘Garage’ – fun for everyone, no hassles and Free, ends up turing ‘Coroporate’ at some point. Then come the rules, restrictions, ‘disclaimers’, ‘copyrights’ and all the rest – i.e., ‘fun’ is gone.
No different than a ‘start-up’ company with weekly Friday ‘beer-busts’. Alas, necessity being the mother of invention, I’m sure it won’t be long before a couple of enterprising young gents will figure out a ‘new’ way to provide hassle-free music/videos for the masses.
The god of inconvenience now as NONE of these Vevo powered music vids run on iPhone and I assume ANY smartphone for that matter.
Video Converter for Mac converts any popular video formats such as AVI, FLV(flash video), MOV, WMV(windows media), MKV, and more to iPad friendly formats easily and rapidly.
http://www.ipadconverter-mac.com
lulz, reading some of this stuff is hilarious. Don’t slam other peoples’ opinions. Yeesh.
As far as the “debate” above me went, though, you all make valid points. And to me, both are right.
I don’t really like Vevo. For some reason the little watermark thing on the videos annoys me. I don’t like change xD everytime I see it I go: “This is Youtube! YOUTUBE!”
Other than that, though, I only had issues with it for a while. No problems as of late, though.
i think Vevo Sucks on youtube They Have Censored all the Videos
i liked it when google didnt own you tube
before vevo and the new layout and adds galore
Their strategy is not clear!? Yes it is!
They want more control.
Now that wouldn’t be such a problem if they wanted control over their own lives, as all sane, rational people do. However, they want more control over YOU!
It’s convenient for them, not you. YouTube was as convenient as it would ever be. Type shit in, get results. Companies don’t like that kind of freedom. It makes it expensive and difficult to track you.
Solution? Put them all in the same tracking bugged place, disable downloads and load your bandwidth up with useless bullshit ads (in high res).
The real problem is Capitalism. The incentive should be on quality, not theft. They claim the users steal. I beg to differ.
They push shit I DO NOT WANT on me, sell me over-priced low-quality crap (I wouldn’t listen to 90% of that horrible shit if I was paid $20/hr!), follow you around like a serial killer and if their spam wasn’t enough, they also sell your information to other spammy assholes. That’s how they got rich. THEY STOLE FROM YOU! They stole your time, your identity and your money.
And you claim the recession is just a fluke. Selling low quality crap and stealing lower the value of currency. Dur hur hur!
i am along w/ most of the people…Vevo is probably one of the worst things that youtube could have done…whenever im looking for videos i have to look at the publisher of the video…if it has Vevo in it i pass it completely..as..1) slows my whole computer down..2)youtube is slowed wayyyy down..and 3) the ads are annoying…
also..the new layout i think is stupid and pointless…youtube’s layout should have been left alone as it was just fine..thanks alot google…
VEVO and all content providers follow the corporate maxum: ‘fuck the consumer. Take their time and money, and give them as little as possible in return’. The RIAA spends millions and works so feverishly at combating music and video piracy, whilst stubbornly refusing to even consider the primary motivations behind such behaviour. Piracy isn’t just about getting something for free, it’s about circumnavigating the brutal assault of marketing one has to suffer through normal channels of content distribution. TV isn’t free. When you watch a five minute block of adverts, you have paid the content provider with five minutes of your invaluable and unrecoverable time. Ridiculously, we even pay companies like Comcast for cable and internet access, when Comcast itself sells billions in advertising that we are forced to watch. Until the corporate world stops treating consumers like a crop to be harvested rather than a partner in a symbiotic relationship, the intelligent, self-respecting consumer will fight back anyway he can. As long as content providers maintain the attitude that the needs of advertisers come first, and consumers can either put up with the mind numbing intrusion of advertising or get stuffed, consumers will similarly maintain a ‘fuck it’ attitude when it comes to the rights of content owners. I know I do.
I’m not from the US..
Am being deprived of music here…………….
vevo’s sound quality sucks! :(
Vevo is awful…slow and nearly always forced to listen to a commercial
If Google says “don’t be evil” then why is it working with Vivo?
I am sooooo disappointed in google for getting in bed with this pro-censorship Vivo monster.
Fin’s right. You can’t “steal” what you can make a copy of for free.
Musicians make a killing on piracy because it helps good artists become more popular. Recording industry douchebags who pump out sugary pop icon after sugary pop icon in order to flood real artists out of the market lose, because they can no longer get away with demanding $20 for a CD with one shitty single written by a 45-year-old man in a Hollywood studio about the trials of being a 14-year-old girl.
i enjoyed the fact that youtube was the people’s site.they downloaded their own videos,much of the time it might have been a record playing on a turntable or flashing or scrolling images.what this vevo thing is leading up to is to begin charging people to watch videos on youtube.these videos won’t remain free to be viewed .it’s obvious that no too long from now,we’ll be seeing fees per video on youtube//whata skanky thing to do to people who’ve used youtube for so many years!!this is horrible and i’m surprised that youtube.com is allowing this.to replace the average joe with the corporate faction is just plain wrong.what a crappy thing to pull on people who relied on youtube to be the place to let people see their videos.youtube was a community where people actually could forum and post and comment on one anothers videos.apparently youtube doesn’t give a crap that they’re destroying all that.
Fin, pirating music is way different than just getting a YouTube video. Pirating the full quality 7 mb m4a from a website is illegal. Getting a crappy quality YouTube video so you can watch it when you don’t have Internet is fair use and is NOT ILLEGAL. Come on man, just like jailbreaking is NOT illegal, but cracking paid apps for free is. If it’s against your personal policy to download a VIDEO, don’t do it. But don’t bother those who do.
Bam.
By the way, I jailbreak and download videos ALL THE TIME.
One word to describe VEVO:gay
Vevo is slow, and i really mean DAMN slow… the streaming is not as quick and efficient as YouTube, plus the vids keeps reload again and again.. i would seriously say WTF to Vevo, but perhaps like DELL .. they created something that requires lots of user input, to improve and maybe outshine YouTube in the future but as of now… they just plain SUCK…
and about Fin, yes i agree on your statement on protecting the music industry against piracy.. but erm.. don’t YouTube provides musical and video content everywhere? so can we regard YouTube as a piracy supporter? if yes, they should have shut down a loooooong time ago but till now they’re still kicking hard.. if NO, then you really need to revise your argument… : )
Stuff it, personally, I think they joined Vevo just to force us to illegally download stuffs. Their music gets heard, everyone avoids the bullshit, and they make more money that way. And hey, we miss out on the stupid bloody dl time and ads!! Win.
i’ve been downloading vevo videos just fine with youtube video downloader.no problems.they run fine on my mp3 player and on the tv(monitor)
Yeaaaah, youtube doesn’t work for me any more because Firefox detects the third party streaming crap from Vevo as a internet security threat and won’t stream any of the content.
WAY TO FAIL YOUTUBE.
When you are done sucking the corporate cock and get your site actually working again we can all go back to our normal life.
As for the piracy thing, if people are going to pirate music low quality youtube rips are the stupidest possible way to go. This will change nothing except make people who didn’t pirate before look into ways of pirating because they can’t listen or watch what they want on youtube!
I have had zero issues with vevo, all the videos are fine, i experience nothing bad unless i bring my computer out of sleep when a video is up, and then all i have to do is wait three seconds for it to reload
vevo sucks ass the video load way too slow also when a user on youtube trys to upload a video they delete it by saying its copyright infringement if you talking to anybody on youtube they all pretty much hate vevo VEVO NEEDS TO GET THE FUCK OFF YOUTUBE
vevo sucks major donkey dong if i had the choice i would never use it and i think there should be an option for whether or not u want to use it on youtube. fuck you vevo creators i dont want to use your shitty product!!!
I don’t mind the ads so much, I just hate that Vevo is so slow. Whenever I see a video is Vevo, I just ignore it.
Fin: “Hey Jerome – that’s illegal and that’s one of the main reasons they are switching to Vevo so people can stop stealing content without paying the proper people who made the music and videos.” <– wow what faggot
Vevo sucks dick just like you Fin, you arrogant shit.
Vevo blows besides the fact that they make you watch their lame ads most of the time their videos buffer way too much.
Some one needs to let the developers of Vevo know that they are basically hindering the publication of better videos and better quality videos as well.
VEVO sucks. OMG. They are horrible. The worst part is it’s for the united states. I am in the fucking US. Half of the videos say this video is not allowed in my area and all the artists in which that happened are US artists. That is just fucking stupid. I liked it better back then when the artists had their own page and videos without all this bullshit.
Maybe if they didn’t censor songs. So wrong.
there is no end to the struggle between class. artist will create and share their work vevo or no. i have resolved to a personal boycott of any product advertised enough to annoy me. tv is four minutes content three minutes commercials. where the people go the parasites follow. pencil wrist snitch ass kissers thrive in corporate. your best interest has never been their first priority . go ahead and do what ever pleases you, fair is a four letter word. lay down your weapons and come out with your wallet
“artists like Lady Gaga”
I do hate vevo but why on earth would you type that
Vevo is a piece of shit. It censors every vulgar word in music video. I don’t mind the ads so much as that I am used to seeing them on television. But I do not enjoy music when there are words bleeped out or cut out completely.
i don’t use youtube very often but i went back to it this week to watch some vids and i hate it now!! What is this crap VEVO thing ??!
I HATE having to watch crap ads first – they may just last 2.5 seconds but who cares – WE STILL HATE THEM
and also loads of the vids seem to stop half way thru for now reason
and there are loads of spam comments underneath with links for money..
The comments under the old youtube were silly but funny…these are just depressing spam..
I don’t know anything about the music industry and why youtube had to use this crap vevo system, but it can’t be to do with £££
Youtube had been going fine for years with no problem. Now its just crap..
hope some VEVO exec reads this and realises everyone hates it…
Another good thing bites the dust…. yeah well….
VEVO sucks! i hate that i can’t watch a goddamn video on youtube anymore because all the official videos are now on vevo and for some reason my computer or phone are never able to download and process these videos anymore…. ughhhh so frustrating….
Ever since vevo showed up i cant view 1 single video on youtube totaly blows!!!
I just want to say to you that VEVO got some good sides. For eksample they do censor alot of the songs. Take a look at 12 year olds these days. They curse worse then 18 year olds did 10 years ago. I think music can take alot of the blame for that.
Ik how to download videos with the vevo on the end of the name, first get the app saveall(sorry not for the is version of apple store) then goto the video and download it, and you can open the video in iTunes
or just any app that can download vids