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		<title>WinFS, Was it Really so Good?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you were in any way interested in Windows Longhorn then WinFS will not be an unfamiliar word to you. This technology was to be part of the revolutionary next OS and to change the way software shared data and interacted with each other.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were in any way interested in Windows Longhorn then WinFS will not be an unfamiliar word to you. This technology was to be part of the revolutionary next OS and to change the way software shared data and interacted with each other.</p>
<p>You will also be aware that WinFS was removed from the feature list when the Longhorn project was reset.</p>
<p>The lack of real discussion and comment from Microsoft seems to have led to a great deal of speculation, rumour and myth concerning the WinFS file system which really has more in common with the “<em>Microsoft should rewrite Windows</em>” movement of thought than actual reality.</p>
<p>I know personally I had a lot of misconceptions about the whole thing, perhaps due to the fact I’m a non-programmer. What confused me the most was the while using Vista I came across a lot of functionality which seemingly resembled the WinFS I had heard so much about, yet I frequently heard the comments about Vista being pointless because it lacked the promised Longhorn features.</p>
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<p>However Ed Bott’s article “Why Do You Want WinFS?” explained a lot and after checking it out and reading around I discovered a lot of interesting things. Apologies if this is old news to you, hopefully some of you will find this interesting:</p>
<p><strong>WinFS was never going to replace NTFS:</strong></p>
<p>WinFS was not a new file system designed to replace NTFS, it was a system designed to run on <a href="http://www.ntfs.com/winfs_arch.htm">top of NTFS</a>, which potentially provided the capability to be moved between OS’s:</p>
<p><em>“WinFS is based on SQL Server and its core feature is to provide a data relations mechanism. This means that your pictures are related to dates, events, and persons and so on. This allows you to perform a search such as &quot;All pictures of Joe taken the last month&quot;. This query is not possible for a traditional file system such as NTFS, but will be a trivial part of WinFS. In reality, WinFS stores are simply SQL Server database files (.mdf files) with the FILESTREAM feature enabled. These files are stored in secured folder named &quot;System Volume Information&quot; placed into the volume root, in folders under the folder &quot;WinFS&quot; with names of GUIDs of these stores.”</em></p>
<p align="center"><strong>WinFS was a drag on system performance and potentially had a bad programming model:</strong></p>
<p>Boy, and you complained about Windows Vista. Imagine if Vista had included WinFS, Microsoft wouldn’t have had a chance against the forum haters. (Or, ironically, perhaps people may have actually accepted system performance slow down thinking it was worth it for this great new technology)</p>
<p>According to Dare Obasnjo; <em>“The third thing I worry about is that the programming model will suck. An easy to use programming model often trumps almost any problem. Developers prefer building distributed applications using XML Web Services in .NET to the alternatives even though in some cases this choice leads to lower performance. The same developers would rather store information in the registry than come up with a robust alternative on their own because the programming model for the registry is fairly straightforward.”</em></p>
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<p><strong>Vista can do much of what WinFS was intended for:</strong></p>
<p>From the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/winfs/">WinFS development</a> blog (2006: <em>“The vision for a richer storage in Windows is very much alive.&#160; With the new tools for searching and organizing information in Windows Vista, we are taking a good step towards that vision.”</em></p>
<p>Perhaps what is the most frustrating thing with WinFS is that Vista actually does include much of what WinFS was intended for but without the kind of disadvantages previously mentioned. It clearly doesn’t have WinFS, but most of what was relevant and useful for end users has been included. You’ll find much of those features present in the Windows Indexing and Search technologies.</p>
<p>The irony of this is that if consumers and developers have so far been so unwilling to utilise the current technologies of Vista than what does this say about their willingness to adopt something even more radical which would have been the result of WinFS?</p>
<p>As Paul Thurrott <a href="http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winfs_preview.asp">wrote some time</a> ago about WinFS, “<em>the big deal, of course, was desktop search, a capability that had always been part of the plan, but was being promoted because of the sudden rise in Internet-based searches.”</em> This never changed through the Longhorn/Vista development and integrated searching is the single biggest improvement in Windows.</p>
<p><font color="#292929" face="Verdana">Other WinFS features included metadata sorting, filtering and indexing, virtual folders and shared data between applications. All these are essential aspects of WinFS and can be found in Vista. Here is one more detailed example of just how powerful some of the Vista search tools are.</font>&#160;</p>
<p>You can also take a look at Paul Thurrott’s Virtual Folders showcase <a href="http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_virtualfolders.asp">here</a>.</p>
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<p>If I’m wrong about any of these statements, maybe even completely up the wrong tree then let me know!</p>

	Tags: <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/longhorn/" title="longhorn" rel="tag">longhorn</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/search/" title="search" rel="tag">search</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/vista/" title="vista" rel="tag">vista</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/windows/" title="Windows" rel="tag">Windows</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/winfs/" title="winfs" rel="tag">winfs</a><br />

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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joshua</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It may be a little late to be discussing leaks of Windows Longhorn seeing as the project was reset over 4 years ago and we are now looking at Windows 7 on the horizon.
However I just discovered a very interesting blog today called UX.Unleaked which has been providing regular dialogues over the past month on [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a little late to be discussing leaks of Windows Longhorn seeing as the project was reset over 4 years ago and we are now looking at <a href="http://www.windows7news.com/">Windows 7</a> on the horizon.</p>
<p>However I just discovered a very interesting blog today called <a href="http://uxunleaked.blogspot.com/2008/05/50010winmain040927-1610.html">UX.Unleaked</a> which has been providing regular dialogues over the past month on the many builds and developments of the codenamed Windows Longhorn.</p>
<p>I have no idea what the credentials of the author are, but he has a lot of knowledge and insight into the history and development process of Microsoft. In fact he has a number of previously unseen builds on his blog and offers an in-depth commentary.</p>
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<p>Longhorn was to contain every revolutionary technology Microsoft had envisioned for the next decade including the much spoken of WinFX. It’s been well documented that eventually Longhorn collapsed under it’s complexity and Vista was created instead using Server 2003 as a base almost completely from scratch in just 2 years.</p>
<p>It was a costly management mistake that has seen a dive in public perceptions and an ongoing struggle for Microsoft to hold a position of similar influence as it did at the beginning of the decade. </p>
<p align="left"> Although it was never completed Longhorn was not discarded. Many of the features and code inspired various Vista technologies and have been incorporated into Server 2008 and the upcoming <a href="http://windows7news.com/">Windows 7</a>.</p>
<p>Looking through the various past builds of Longhorn can give an insight into both the development process and possibly what we can expect from future Microsoft operating systems.</p>

	Tags: <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/beta/" title="beta" rel="tag">beta</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/longhorn/" title="longhorn" rel="tag">longhorn</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/microsoft/" title="microsoft" rel="tag">microsoft</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/vista/" title="vista" rel="tag">vista</a>, <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/tag/windows/" title="Windows" rel="tag">Windows</a><br />

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