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> <channel><title>Comments on: What makes Ubuntu so user friendly?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/</link> <description>A technology news blog covering software, mobile phones, gadgets, security, the Internet and other relevant areas.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:27:17 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: MS_bull</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-1346854</link> <dc:creator>MS_bull</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:16:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-1346854</guid> <description>Try antix or blag linux. Both distros just work</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try antix or blag linux. Both distros just work</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MS_bull</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-1346853</link> <dc:creator>MS_bull</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:14:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-1346853</guid> <description>And it costs nigh £200 pounds even before you install the NECCESARY anti virus which will often incur additional expense and considerably more if you get caught using an illegal copy and all this is PER COMPUTER.
And apart from a few nice features it doesnt always work and to just to bite the hand that feeds them, from time to time they DELIBERATELY try and stop some things from working like other browsers or certain types of dowloads in IE.
Also there is privacy concerns. MS knows about EVERY computer that is infected with windows and you NEED an internet conection and key before you can even USE it. This doesnt sound too bad until you consider that some computers are used where there is no internet available and the key code can Expire after so many Reinstals or get lost or duplicated by some one else rendering the price you paid for this garbage as just a waste of money. Some people have been told their key is not valid even when they have actually tok all the neccessy and legal steps to protect them selfs</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it costs nigh £200 pounds even before you install the NECCESARY anti virus which will often incur additional expense and considerably more if you get caught using an illegal copy and all this is PER COMPUTER.<br
/> And apart from a few nice features it doesnt always work and to just to bite the hand that feeds them, from time to time they DELIBERATELY try and stop some things from working like other browsers or certain types of dowloads in IE.<br
/> Also there is privacy concerns. MS knows about EVERY computer that is infected with windows and you NEED an internet conection and key before you can even USE it. This doesnt sound too bad until you consider that some computers are used where there is no internet available and the key code can Expire after so many Reinstals or get lost or duplicated by some one else rendering the price you paid for this garbage as just a waste of money. Some people have been told their key is not valid even when they have actually tok all the neccessy and legal steps to protect them selfs</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: danny</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-951463</link> <dc:creator>danny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:38:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-951463</guid> <description>@Darby
+1</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darby<br
/> +1</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: lyle howard seave</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-903999</link> <dc:creator>lyle howard seave</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:29:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-903999</guid> <description>&gt;Well, the operating system of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel.
Well no. Its not.
The kernel is the central component of most computer operating systems but it is
not THE operating system.
And Ubuntu is a distro.
Here is a map of the GNU-Linux operating system and FOSS that shows you how
their relationships and various layers:
http://www.makelinux.net/system/
It gives you an idea of the role of the kernel in the whole process.
What you have to realize is that you can take out the Linux kernel out of the
GNU operating system and use another kernel ( Ive used the FreeBSD kernel which is
ironic since in contrast with GNU/Linux, where all the pieces are developed separately and brought together in distributions, FreeBSD has been developed as a complete operating system but I digress) because the kernel is a small (but very important part) of the kernel.
So no, the operating system of Ubuntu is NOT the Linux kernel.
As for being friendly....
How user friendly is it when you install Kubuntu as a dual boot and the first thing you are
then greeted by that black and white DOS looking option box (even better when the
kernel upgrades kick in and then they are given even more text choice?)
The reason I started installing PCLinuxOS/Mandriva instead of Kubuntu 3 years ago
was that (and a few others).
As of 9.04, you are still dual booting into something which is unsettling for newbies.
So total fail there.
My friend installed Kubuntu 9.04 on his mom&#039;s netbook (she thought the Ubuntu it came
with was depressing and ugly) and when she open the lid and the netbook wakes up, she is
greeted with a &#039;killing requests for dead queue&#039; message every time.
Its not the end of the world but reputation are often overblown and honestly....
&#039;user friendly&#039; is a question of personal choice but deep down most top distros that use
the same desktop look the same and are user friendly (SUSE and Mandriva were user
friendly before their time I guess).
Im running KDE4.2 with Mandriva, Kubuntu and two more I regularly change and the difference is minimal. My kids think theyre the same thing and think Im nuts.
I think the desktop is more important a choice than the distro and those choices affect
more the usability than a new wallpaper,icons or notifier.
I&#039;ve done a couple of dozens installs over the past 3 years at install fests and friends and family
and desktop does make a huge difference.
i work and play on 2 Win, 1 Mac and 4 Gnu-Linux desktops every day and I believe that any power user should be able to adapt and be productive less than a week after first
trying a new environment... it is NOT rocket science.
But people are creatures of habit and they like what they know and casual users even more so if they only care that something just works.
That&#039;s why Ive foudn that when given a choice between desktops (I only offer XCFE on old hardware) Windows users will go over 2/3 of the time with KDE. The bottom taskbar
and the look and feel (I found out they mean the fonts in KDE look more like Windows than
the Gnome ones).
My job when I want to switch someone over is to make them feel confortable, distro fanboism
doesnt figure into it. I recommend Kubuntu to power user friends who can search for answers and copy past the sudo commands, the &#039;community&#039; is great for them and useless for the ones
who arent computer savvy.
I want to be able to customize as much as possible and with the least problems as possible.
For 3 years, PCLinuxOS was my friends.family distro but there were many others that were just as good and user friendly. To claim that it was the &#039;best&#039; would have been childish.
Now, Mandriva seems to be doing the best KDE4.3 version (but again, the difference is
splitting whiskers).. Im sure that next year or the year after, it will be another.
This attachment to a distro through thick and thin is a very Mac fanboiesque thing.
The success of their OS/distro directly affect how they perceive themselves and their own self worth.
&quot;My distro offers this and it does this and that.&quot; sounds more impressive than saying that most top distros all do it but its like saying that flavour #25 at Baskin Robbins is the best one.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Well, the operating system of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel.<br
/> Well no. Its not.<br
/> The kernel is the central component of most computer operating systems but it is<br
/> not THE operating system.<br
/> And Ubuntu is a distro.</p><p>Here is a map of the GNU-Linux operating system and FOSS that shows you how<br
/> their relationships and various layers:<br
/> http://www.makelinux.net/system/<br
/> It gives you an idea of the role of the kernel in the whole process.</p><p>What you have to realize is that you can take out the Linux kernel out of the<br
/> GNU operating system and use another kernel ( Ive used the FreeBSD kernel which is<br
/> ironic since in contrast with GNU/Linux, where all the pieces are developed separately and brought together in distributions, FreeBSD has been developed as a complete operating system but I digress) because the kernel is a small (but very important part) of the kernel.</p><p>So no, the operating system of Ubuntu is NOT the Linux kernel.</p><p>As for being friendly&#8230;.</p><p>How user friendly is it when you install Kubuntu as a dual boot and the first thing you are<br
/> then greeted by that black and white DOS looking option box (even better when the<br
/> kernel upgrades kick in and then they are given even more text choice?)</p><p>The reason I started installing PCLinuxOS/Mandriva instead of Kubuntu 3 years ago<br
/> was that (and a few others).<br
/> As of 9.04, you are still dual booting into something which is unsettling for newbies.<br
/> So total fail there.</p><p>My friend installed Kubuntu 9.04 on his mom&#8217;s netbook (she thought the Ubuntu it came<br
/> with was depressing and ugly) and when she open the lid and the netbook wakes up, she is<br
/> greeted with a &#8216;killing requests for dead queue&#8217; message every time.</p><p>Its not the end of the world but reputation are often overblown and honestly&#8230;.<br
/> &#8216;user friendly&#8217; is a question of personal choice but deep down most top distros that use<br
/> the same desktop look the same and are user friendly (SUSE and Mandriva were user<br
/> friendly before their time I guess).<br
/> Im running KDE4.2 with Mandriva, Kubuntu and two more I regularly change and the difference is minimal. My kids think theyre the same thing and think Im nuts.</p><p>I think the desktop is more important a choice than the distro and those choices affect<br
/> more the usability than a new wallpaper,icons or notifier.</p><p>I&#8217;ve done a couple of dozens installs over the past 3 years at install fests and friends and family<br
/> and desktop does make a huge difference.</p><p>i work and play on 2 Win, 1 Mac and 4 Gnu-Linux desktops every day and I believe that any power user should be able to adapt and be productive less than a week after first<br
/> trying a new environment&#8230; it is NOT rocket science.</p><p>But people are creatures of habit and they like what they know and casual users even more so if they only care that something just works.<br
/> That&#8217;s why Ive foudn that when given a choice between desktops (I only offer XCFE on old hardware) Windows users will go over 2/3 of the time with KDE. The bottom taskbar<br
/> and the look and feel (I found out they mean the fonts in KDE look more like Windows than<br
/> the Gnome ones).<br
/> My job when I want to switch someone over is to make them feel confortable, distro fanboism<br
/> doesnt figure into it. I recommend Kubuntu to power user friends who can search for answers and copy past the sudo commands, the &#8216;community&#8217; is great for them and useless for the ones<br
/> who arent computer savvy.</p><p>I want to be able to customize as much as possible and with the least problems as possible.<br
/> For 3 years, PCLinuxOS was my friends.family distro but there were many others that were just as good and user friendly. To claim that it was the &#8216;best&#8217; would have been childish.<br
/> Now, Mandriva seems to be doing the best KDE4.3 version (but again, the difference is<br
/> splitting whiskers).. Im sure that next year or the year after, it will be another.<br
/> This attachment to a distro through thick and thin is a very Mac fanboiesque thing.<br
/> The success of their OS/distro directly affect how they perceive themselves and their own self worth.</p><p>&#8220;My distro offers this and it does this and that.&#8221; sounds more impressive than saying that most top distros all do it but its like saying that flavour #25 at Baskin Robbins is the best one.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Avin</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-897209</link> <dc:creator>Avin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:35:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-897209</guid> <description>The Ubuntu is really good and User friendly  distro as compare to any other linux distro.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ubuntu is really good and User friendly  distro as compare to any other linux distro.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-895258</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:41:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-895258</guid> <description>1. Tarballs are retarded.  (Because I don&#039;t understand them)
2. I shouldn&#039;t EVER have to use the command line.
3. Self installers = the best.
1+2+3 = 6. But also a very user-friendly, adaptable environment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Tarballs are retarded.  (Because I don&#8217;t understand them)<br
/> 2. I shouldn&#8217;t EVER have to use the command line.<br
/> 3. Self installers = the best.</p><p>1+2+3 = 6. But also a very user-friendly, adaptable environment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Big Daddy</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-895040</link> <dc:creator>Big Daddy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 13:38:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-895040</guid> <description>...Or all of you morons can just knock off the &quot;anti- MS&quot; BS and just use friggin&#039; Windows already.
It&#039;s not a lifestyle, idiots.  It&#039;s a PC.
Windows.  It WORKS!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Or all of you morons can just knock off the &#8220;anti- MS&#8221; BS and just use friggin&#8217; Windows already.</p><p>It&#8217;s not a lifestyle, idiots.  It&#8217;s a PC.</p><p>Windows.  It WORKS!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aksel</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894930</link> <dc:creator>Aksel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:40:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894930</guid> <description>I beg to disagree. There is hype but there are reasons behind the hype, and your post contains factual errors.
[Software Management] If you use debian, you either choose stable with outdated packages or you run unstable, with ahem.. stability issues. Ubuntu provides a balance new packages tested for stability in a six month release cycle. If you stick to the main repositories you are unlikely to be out of date by more than 6 months. If you want newer versions, many packages are now available through the Ubuntu PPAs. Debian has no such equivalent. This is a tangible benefit of marketing, not just hype.
[Choice] Ubuntu does simplify choice. You would ask a new user to try 3 different DEs, 8 different editors, 12 different video playes, 24 different music players before they make a choice. Good luck with that approach. Ubuntu presents one default DE, with one default application (typically considered best of the breed) for each function. Excellent choice for new comers. Even experienced users don&#039;t change every setting of every program. For those that you care about, choose another setting/package, for those that you don&#039;t the sane default settings are always there.
[Installation]Ubuntu installation is easy. 8 steps, 7 questions, with arguably the most difficult being disk partitioning. Installation is also fast compared to some other distros. Compare this with Fedora, OpenSuse and Mandriva. OpenSuse defaults to KDE because most OpenSuse users prefer KDE. Most Ubuntu users prefer gnome. Also OpenSuse is a DVD, Ubuntu is a CD, literally a big difference. To install kde in ubuntu do apt-get kubuntu-desktop. No need for ISOs or a reinstall. Your claims are disingenuous. What changes to be made to an installed system? Examples?
[Boot Time] Ubuntu does boot faster, google for bootcharts and boot times. Compare it with OpenSuse. By your own admission distributions with faster boots do not have adequate features. Again good luck pushing it to a newbie.
So many claims. So many vague allegations.
Ubuntu is hyped? perhaps, but no one is forcing anyone to use ubuntu. Still Ubuntu grows; may be you should consider why.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to disagree. There is hype but there are reasons behind the hype, and your post contains factual errors.</p><p>[Software Management] If you use debian, you either choose stable with outdated packages or you run unstable, with ahem.. stability issues. Ubuntu provides a balance new packages tested for stability in a six month release cycle. If you stick to the main repositories you are unlikely to be out of date by more than 6 months. If you want newer versions, many packages are now available through the Ubuntu PPAs. Debian has no such equivalent. This is a tangible benefit of marketing, not just hype.</p><p>[Choice] Ubuntu does simplify choice. You would ask a new user to try 3 different DEs, 8 different editors, 12 different video playes, 24 different music players before they make a choice. Good luck with that approach. Ubuntu presents one default DE, with one default application (typically considered best of the breed) for each function. Excellent choice for new comers. Even experienced users don&#8217;t change every setting of every program. For those that you care about, choose another setting/package, for those that you don&#8217;t the sane default settings are always there.</p><p>[Installation]Ubuntu installation is easy. 8 steps, 7 questions, with arguably the most difficult being disk partitioning. Installation is also fast compared to some other distros. Compare this with Fedora, OpenSuse and Mandriva. OpenSuse defaults to KDE because most OpenSuse users prefer KDE. Most Ubuntu users prefer gnome. Also OpenSuse is a DVD, Ubuntu is a CD, literally a big difference. To install kde in ubuntu do apt-get kubuntu-desktop. No need for ISOs or a reinstall. Your claims are disingenuous. What changes to be made to an installed system? Examples?</p><p>[Boot Time] Ubuntu does boot faster, google for bootcharts and boot times. Compare it with OpenSuse. By your own admission distributions with faster boots do not have adequate features. Again good luck pushing it to a newbie.</p><p>So many claims. So many vague allegations.</p><p>Ubuntu is hyped? perhaps, but no one is forcing anyone to use ubuntu. Still Ubuntu grows; may be you should consider why.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zac</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894919</link> <dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:15:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894919</guid> <description>Launchpad PPA
I think the most obvious thing for me is the Launchpad PPA&#039;s. Once the PPA is in your softwares sources list, it is a one click install and you get automatic updates, and can downgrade to a previous version. I have installed many addtional programs with PPA&#039;s which I would not otherwise do.
I would like to see software installation/upgrade/downgrade etc made much more easier and fully intergrated in the Software Centre so your average person can install anything with confidence. And this will make it easier for developers to get their software out.
eg I have installed Chromium this way, and if weren&#039;t for PPA&#039;s I would not have installed it. It is so easy. This may be lazy, but I want Linux for the masses and it has to be easy. Those who want a dogs breakfast are free to look elsewhere.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Launchpad PPA<br
/> I think the most obvious thing for me is the Launchpad PPA&#8217;s. Once the PPA is in your softwares sources list, it is a one click install and you get automatic updates, and can downgrade to a previous version. I have installed many addtional programs with PPA&#8217;s which I would not otherwise do.</p><p>I would like to see software installation/upgrade/downgrade etc made much more easier and fully intergrated in the Software Centre so your average person can install anything with confidence. And this will make it easier for developers to get their software out.</p><p>eg I have installed Chromium this way, and if weren&#8217;t for PPA&#8217;s I would not have installed it. It is so easy. This may be lazy, but I want Linux for the masses and it has to be easy. Those who want a dogs breakfast are free to look elsewhere.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Legg</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894873</link> <dc:creator>David Legg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:57:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894873</guid> <description>I think that the main reason Ubuntu is regarded as friendly is that it lets users use non-free software easily with just a few clicks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the main reason Ubuntu is regarded as friendly is that it lets users use non-free software easily with just a few clicks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: The Doctor</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894730</link> <dc:creator>The Doctor</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:45:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894730</guid> <description>Yes Marvin, but only after you configure and add Medibuntu to your repository list.  Something you don&#039;t have to do with PCLinuxOS or Linux Mint.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Marvin, but only after you configure and add Medibuntu to your repository list.  Something you don&#8217;t have to do with PCLinuxOS or Linux Mint.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SilverWave</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894554</link> <dc:creator>SilverWave</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894554</guid> <description>I wanted to move from Windows to Linux but I had a few must haves:
0. Ethics - Ubuntu and Canonical have them.
1. I needed the same level of troubleshooting support via Google as I have in XP.
Ubuntu provides this via http://ubuntuforums.org/ all the answers are there, you just need Google to find them :)
2. Vast software repositories (and codecs).
Ubuntu is the clear winner here with 20k+ packages.
Most of the software you need are just a few clicks away and they are pgp signed.
If its not in the repository the site usually has a .deb e.g. the Open University uses FirstClass so go to the site and yes! there is the .deb :)
As for the codecs installing &quot;ubuntu-restricted-extras&quot; does the job.
3. No one man bands - I need to know my investment in time and effort will not be wasted.
Ubuntu has a huge user-base and Community.
4. Constantly updated software
Canonical updates the whole distro every 6 months - Lovely!
5. Only best of breed software installed by default
I don&#039;t need 25 text editors and I especially don&#039;t need 50 bad/unfinished text editors.
6. LiveCD.
I found that moving over to Firefox\Thunderbird\Openoffice in windows then making the jump to Linux was the way to go. Then a VM of XP for any apps that you still need to use until you find an alternative.
Ubuntu made my move possible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to move from Windows to Linux but I had a few must haves:</p><p>0. Ethics &#8211; Ubuntu and Canonical have them.</p><p>1. I needed the same level of troubleshooting support via Google as I have in XP.<br
/> Ubuntu provides this via http://ubuntuforums.org/ all the answers are there, you just need Google to find them :)</p><p>2. Vast software repositories (and codecs).<br
/> Ubuntu is the clear winner here with 20k+ packages.<br
/> Most of the software you need are just a few clicks away and they are pgp signed.<br
/> If its not in the repository the site usually has a .deb e.g. the Open University uses FirstClass so go to the site and yes! there is the .deb :)<br
/> As for the codecs installing &#8220;ubuntu-restricted-extras&#8221; does the job.</p><p>3. No one man bands &#8211; I need to know my investment in time and effort will not be wasted.<br
/> Ubuntu has a huge user-base and Community.</p><p>4. Constantly updated software<br
/> Canonical updates the whole distro every 6 months &#8211; Lovely!</p><p>5. Only best of breed software installed by default<br
/> I don&#8217;t need 25 text editors and I especially don&#8217;t need 50 bad/unfinished text editors.</p><p>6. LiveCD.</p><p>I found that moving over to Firefox\Thunderbird\Openoffice in windows then making the jump to Linux was the way to go. Then a VM of XP for any apps that you still need to use until you find an alternative.</p><p>Ubuntu made my move possible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Albinootje</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894511</link> <dc:creator>Albinootje</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894511</guid> <description>@Ratattack
If you&#039;ve paid for the full Photoshop and Quarkexpress, then I assume that you are a professional, and almost assume that you can afford a Mac. ;-)
If you really want this software available for Linux, go ask Adobe, or go ask Ubuntu to partner with Adobe and have them ask it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ratattack</p><p>If you&#8217;ve paid for the full Photoshop and Quarkexpress, then I assume that you are a professional, and almost assume that you can afford a Mac. ;-)</p><p>If you really want this software available for Linux, go ask Adobe, or go ask Ubuntu to partner with Adobe and have them ask it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Darby</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894510</link> <dc:creator>Darby</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894510</guid> <description>The fact that after a Buntu install in most cases you can get online by simply plugging a CAT wire into your NIC.  This means you can now begin solving issues.  Without the Ubuntu forums or access to a search engine many new users wouldn&#039;t know where to begin.  This is the first and biggest hurdle for most new Linux users and Ubuntu gets you up and running on the net better than any other distro.
Is it the &quot;best&quot;, that depends on your definition.  Is it the best for Linux noobs YES.  Who knows, a year or two with Ubuntu and you may feel comfortable trying something like Arch.  Ubuntu is the gateway drug to Linux.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that after a Buntu install in most cases you can get online by simply plugging a CAT wire into your NIC.  This means you can now begin solving issues.  Without the Ubuntu forums or access to a search engine many new users wouldn&#8217;t know where to begin.  This is the first and biggest hurdle for most new Linux users and Ubuntu gets you up and running on the net better than any other distro.<br
/> Is it the &#8220;best&#8221;, that depends on your definition.  Is it the best for Linux noobs YES.  Who knows, a year or two with Ubuntu and you may feel comfortable trying something like Arch.  Ubuntu is the gateway drug to Linux.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Onacona</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894485</link> <dc:creator>Onacona</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:46:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894485</guid> <description>It&#039;s user friendly if your laptop hasn&#039;t a not so old ATI graphics card.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s user friendly if your laptop hasn&#8217;t a not so old ATI graphics card.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Marvin</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894476</link> <dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894476</guid> <description>&quot;Try playing proprietary formats like mp3…
Yep, your claim about Ubuntu being the most user-friendly distro falls apart. Still some way to go.&quot;
Try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras package using synaptic.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Try playing proprietary formats like mp3…<br
/> Yep, your claim about Ubuntu being the most user-friendly distro falls apart. Still some way to go.&#8221;</p><p>Try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras package using synaptic.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: os2er</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894471</link> <dc:creator>os2er</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894471</guid> <description>My relevant experience is with Ubuntu Ultimate 2.1. I don&#039;t
understand the appeal of Ubuntu, despite experimenting since
version 6. I&#039;ve GONE with PCLinuxOS or Puppy but am also STAYING
with OS/2 so long as hardware permits.
Don&#039;t agree that your list illustrates ease of use for Ubuntu.
It&#039;s fairly baffling when first confronted, MORE SO than
PCLinuxOS or others: you&#039;re MERELY familiar with it.
Sudo: I can&#039;t handle that form of nagging. I suspect that most
n0000bs will forget or lose their password as I did. Think that
was the time I used a live CD to change it, but may have been
another distro. Anyway, it won&#039;t bother most users to &quot;be&quot; root
ALL the time, or to NOT type in ANY password; it&#039;s what they&#039;re
used to with Windows. The user/admin distinction (which I fully
grasp, thank you) is useful only if you do not install software;
it&#039;s a geeky anachronism. I have a PERSONAL computer, I&#039;m not
time sharing on some remote mainframe, darn it.
That leaves security WIDE OPEN if you install unknown software,
yes. However, even XP is safe enough to use anywhere on the web
under these conditions: use only Firefox, disallow &quot;install on
demand&quot;, not even updates; use &quot;noscript&quot; to selectively allow
Javascript; disallow Flash and everything from Adobe; disable all
search engine integration. The default Firefox installs on the
dozen or so Linux distros that I&#039;ve tried violate all of those
rules. You cannot enable &quot;web features&quot; and be anywhere near
SAFE, besides not annoyed by an endless barrage of ads and
flashing images. (That reminds me: in Firefox about:config, set
browser.animation.mode to &quot;once&quot;. And use a &quot;hosts&quot; file.)
Choice made simple: current GUIs are a serious plague that you
regard as positive only because of familiarity. But they&#039;re NOT
simple, have exotic possibilities yet often make common actions
difficult, besides are always sheerly manual labor of clicking.
Examples: In PCLinuxOS (KDE, and Windows) ctrl-selection works by
rectangles, NOT as a series list. This makes for an incredible
amount of clicking unless your choices happen to be lined up
right. -- In Puppy (and others, probably all), the GUI not only
allowed but caused opening multiple video players, resulting in
essentially DEAD machine. Sometimes I wonder whether programmers
ever do more than toy with a new &quot;cool&quot; while ignoring normal use
and oblivious to possible drawbacks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My relevant experience is with Ubuntu Ultimate 2.1. I don&#8217;t<br
/> understand the appeal of Ubuntu, despite experimenting since<br
/> version 6. I&#8217;ve GONE with PCLinuxOS or Puppy but am also STAYING<br
/> with OS/2 so long as hardware permits.</p><p>Don&#8217;t agree that your list illustrates ease of use for Ubuntu.<br
/> It&#8217;s fairly baffling when first confronted, MORE SO than<br
/> PCLinuxOS or others: you&#8217;re MERELY familiar with it.</p><p>Sudo: I can&#8217;t handle that form of nagging. I suspect that most<br
/> n0000bs will forget or lose their password as I did. Think that<br
/> was the time I used a live CD to change it, but may have been<br
/> another distro. Anyway, it won&#8217;t bother most users to &#8220;be&#8221; root<br
/> ALL the time, or to NOT type in ANY password; it&#8217;s what they&#8217;re<br
/> used to with Windows. The user/admin distinction (which I fully<br
/> grasp, thank you) is useful only if you do not install software;<br
/> it&#8217;s a geeky anachronism. I have a PERSONAL computer, I&#8217;m not<br
/> time sharing on some remote mainframe, darn it.</p><p>That leaves security WIDE OPEN if you install unknown software,<br
/> yes. However, even XP is safe enough to use anywhere on the web<br
/> under these conditions: use only Firefox, disallow &#8220;install on<br
/> demand&#8221;, not even updates; use &#8220;noscript&#8221; to selectively allow<br
/> Javascript; disallow Flash and everything from Adobe; disable all<br
/> search engine integration. The default Firefox installs on the<br
/> dozen or so Linux distros that I&#8217;ve tried violate all of those<br
/> rules. You cannot enable &#8220;web features&#8221; and be anywhere near<br
/> SAFE, besides not annoyed by an endless barrage of ads and<br
/> flashing images. (That reminds me: in Firefox about:config, set<br
/> browser.animation.mode to &#8220;once&#8221;. And use a &#8220;hosts&#8221; file.)</p><p>Choice made simple: current GUIs are a serious plague that you<br
/> regard as positive only because of familiarity. But they&#8217;re NOT<br
/> simple, have exotic possibilities yet often make common actions<br
/> difficult, besides are always sheerly manual labor of clicking.<br
/> Examples: In PCLinuxOS (KDE, and Windows) ctrl-selection works by<br
/> rectangles, NOT as a series list. This makes for an incredible<br
/> amount of clicking unless your choices happen to be lined up<br
/> right. &#8212; In Puppy (and others, probably all), the GUI not only<br
/> allowed but caused opening multiple video players, resulting in<br
/> essentially DEAD machine. Sometimes I wonder whether programmers<br
/> ever do more than toy with a new &#8220;cool&#8221; while ignoring normal use<br
/> and oblivious to possible drawbacks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MOGH</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894462</link> <dc:creator>MOGH</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894462</guid> <description>@Tom-
I couldn&#039;t agree more:
&quot;Don’t get me wrong, I’m not grousing here. I’m simply pointing out that things *will* go wrong, even after you have everything working. “User friendly” is a relative term.&quot;
&quot;Windows is for people who want to use their computers just like another Television set, without thought or bother, while Linux (any distro) is for people who aren’t afraid to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty fixing it. As long as you understand that difference, then yes, Ubuntu is the friendliest.&quot;.
Your last point (above) is the best, making the difference clear for Windows crossovers.
My own background with computers gos as far back as PDP11, now about ~33 years.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom-</p><p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more:</p><p>&#8220;Don’t get me wrong, I’m not grousing here. I’m simply pointing out that things *will* go wrong, even after you have everything working. “User friendly” is a relative term.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;Windows is for people who want to use their computers just like another Television set, without thought or bother, while Linux (any distro) is for people who aren’t afraid to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty fixing it. As long as you understand that difference, then yes, Ubuntu is the friendliest.&#8221;.</p><p>Your last point (above) is the best, making the difference clear for Windows crossovers.<br
/> My own background with computers gos as far back as PDP11, now about ~33 years.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894453</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:44:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894453</guid> <description>I&#039;ve been using personal computers of one sort or another since 1980, and even with all that experience, I can tell you that Ubuntu is a user-friendly Linux distro, but only up to a point. Every time you install or update any version of Linux, you stand an excellent chance of something breaking, or not working to begin with. Oh, you spent days searching the web for instructions on getting those extra mouse buttons to work in Linux? Maybe the next update will completely depreciate the X configuration file you used to get it working in favor of a mechanism nobody out there seems to have figured out yet. Wait six months or a year, and perhaps someone will have an answer, a patch, or a new application for you. Gee, thanks. Or, your WIFI card worked out of the box, but after the new update it won&#039;t, because it seems one of the developers didn&#039;t think the existing drivers were stable enough, and removed them completely. Because as everyone knows, having no support at all is a whole lot better than a buggy partially working driver. Or perhaps a friendly, helpful soul on line has given you instructions on how to get something working, but they&#039;re either unintelligible (to you, anyway) or involve the word &quot;compile&quot;. Yeah, you always dreamed of becoming a programmer, didn&#039;t you?
Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m not grousing here. I&#039;m simply pointing out that things *will* go wrong, even after you have everything working. &quot;User friendly&quot; is a relative term. Just because a Live CD works with all your hardware (and there&#039;s no guarantee of that), doesn&#039;t mean it will continue to do so down the road after you&#039;ve been working with the OS for six months. Windows is for people who want to use their computers just like another Television set, without thought or bother, while Linux (any distro) is for people who aren&#039;t afraid to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty fixing it. As long as you understand that difference, then yes, Ubuntu is the friendliest.
I&#039;ve been using Linux full-time for several years now, and wouldn&#039;t go back to Windows now if you paid me. To me, Linux is simple, flexible, secure, and powerful. But that&#039;s me, with nearly 30 years of computers under my belt. YMMV.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using personal computers of one sort or another since 1980, and even with all that experience, I can tell you that Ubuntu is a user-friendly Linux distro, but only up to a point. Every time you install or update any version of Linux, you stand an excellent chance of something breaking, or not working to begin with. Oh, you spent days searching the web for instructions on getting those extra mouse buttons to work in Linux? Maybe the next update will completely depreciate the X configuration file you used to get it working in favor of a mechanism nobody out there seems to have figured out yet. Wait six months or a year, and perhaps someone will have an answer, a patch, or a new application for you. Gee, thanks. Or, your WIFI card worked out of the box, but after the new update it won&#8217;t, because it seems one of the developers didn&#8217;t think the existing drivers were stable enough, and removed them completely. Because as everyone knows, having no support at all is a whole lot better than a buggy partially working driver. Or perhaps a friendly, helpful soul on line has given you instructions on how to get something working, but they&#8217;re either unintelligible (to you, anyway) or involve the word &#8220;compile&#8221;. Yeah, you always dreamed of becoming a programmer, didn&#8217;t you?</p><p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m not grousing here. I&#8217;m simply pointing out that things *will* go wrong, even after you have everything working. &#8220;User friendly&#8221; is a relative term. Just because a Live CD works with all your hardware (and there&#8217;s no guarantee of that), doesn&#8217;t mean it will continue to do so down the road after you&#8217;ve been working with the OS for six months. Windows is for people who want to use their computers just like another Television set, without thought or bother, while Linux (any distro) is for people who aren&#8217;t afraid to roll up their sleeves and get their hands dirty fixing it. As long as you understand that difference, then yes, Ubuntu is the friendliest.</p><p>I&#8217;ve been using Linux full-time for several years now, and wouldn&#8217;t go back to Windows now if you paid me. To me, Linux is simple, flexible, secure, and powerful. But that&#8217;s me, with nearly 30 years of computers under my belt. YMMV.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: manmath sahu</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/10/06/what-makes-ubuntu-so-user-friendly/comment-page-1/#comment-894445</link> <dc:creator>manmath sahu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 17:30:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=16991#comment-894445</guid> <description>It&#039;s popular because it is popular. Great documentation, Mark Shuttleworth money and a hell lot of other things make it popular. Whereas in reality, I found Mepis and PCLinuxOS thousand times better than Ubuntu and all those *buntu flavors.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s popular because it is popular. Great documentation, Mark Shuttleworth money and a hell lot of other things make it popular. Whereas in reality, I found Mepis and PCLinuxOS thousand times better than Ubuntu and all those *buntu flavors.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
