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		<title>By: Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-835612</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is the original:  Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Firefox memory leaks? - Page 2</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-835608</link>
		<dc:creator>Firefox memory leaks? - Page 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] According to this test, firefox actually does remarkably well in the memory department.  (If you are wondering why Chrome looks so bad in that test, read this) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to this test, firefox actually does remarkably well in the memory department.  (If you are wondering why Chrome looks so bad in that test, read this) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abhinav</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-835335</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhinav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Firefox too, Automatic RAM Cache is enabled by default.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-835091</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, note the tests were done in Vista, yet Google cites Window XP. Why would they make such an obvious mistake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, note the tests were done in Vista, yet Google cites Window XP. Why would they make such an obvious mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-835090</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUD by Google. To quote http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=barrkel

&quot;He is using Process.PrivateMemorySize64 in .NET. It doesn&#039;t double-count, because it only counts non-shared pages.

Non-shared working set pages are probably the most relevant measure, as a process-per-tab model will have lots of address space and may use memory mapping extensively, and so have lots of non-shared pages, but not actually touch many of those pages, and end up with a relatively small working set. However, .NET&#039;s Process class doesn&#039;t have an equivalent property to Process Explorer&#039;s &quot;WS Private&quot; column.

EDIT: Sure enough, a quick eyeball of some Chrome subprocesses using Process Explorer gives me these results:

    Private        WS Private
       1416               460
      14916              7952
      12084              9780
      16780             13972
      16164             11336
      14812             12040
      10284              4444
      19140             15400

All numbers in KB. Non-shared working set impact on an unloaded machine, probably the most important measure for Windows, is usually quite a bit less than the private bytes.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUD by Google. To quote <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=barrkel" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=barrkel</a></p>
<p>&#8220;He is using Process.PrivateMemorySize64 in .NET. It doesn&#8217;t double-count, because it only counts non-shared pages.</p>
<p>Non-shared working set pages are probably the most relevant measure, as a process-per-tab model will have lots of address space and may use memory mapping extensively, and so have lots of non-shared pages, but not actually touch many of those pages, and end up with a relatively small working set. However, .NET&#8217;s Process class doesn&#8217;t have an equivalent property to Process Explorer&#8217;s &#8220;WS Private&#8221; column.</p>
<p>EDIT: Sure enough, a quick eyeball of some Chrome subprocesses using Process Explorer gives me these results:</p>
<p>    Private        WS Private<br />
       1416               460<br />
      14916              7952<br />
      12084              9780<br />
      16780             13972<br />
      16164             11336<br />
      14812             12040<br />
      10284              4444<br />
      19140             15400</p>
<p>All numbers in KB. Non-shared working set impact on an unloaded machine, probably the most important measure for Windows, is usually quite a bit less than the private bytes.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Batalha entre os navegadores: Comparativo de utiliza&#231;&#227;o de mem&#243;ria &#124; Info Dicas</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834966</link>
		<dc:creator>Batalha entre os navegadores: Comparativo de utiliza&#231;&#227;o de mem&#243;ria &#124; Info Dicas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rarst</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834954</link>
		<dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on with Opera automatic settings! Turns out it uses extremely agressive memory cache by default - that&#039;s why high figures. 

Got me interested and I did my own test to compare:
http://www.rarst.net/software/browser-memory-benchmark/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on with Opera automatic settings! Turns out it uses extremely agressive memory cache by default &#8211; that&#8217;s why high figures. </p>
<p>Got me interested and I did my own test to compare:<br />
<a href="http://www.rarst.net/software/browser-memory-benchmark/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rarst.net/software/browser-memory-benchmark/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Browser memory benchmark (plus lies and damn lies) &#124; Rarst.net</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834950</link>
		<dc:creator>Browser memory benchmark (plus lies and damn lies) &#124; Rarst.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Dot Net Perls is generating buzz (as such things do). I tried to stay away (as I do) but Martin’s post on discrepancies in it from incorrect measuring of multithreaded Chrome mentioned Opera memory consumption settings and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from Dot Net Perls is generating buzz (as such things do). I tried to stay away (as I do) but Martin’s post on discrepancies in it from incorrect measuring of multithreaded Chrome mentioned Opera memory consumption settings and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uso de la memoria en los navegadores. - Foros Softonic</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834888</link>
		<dc:creator>Uso de la memoria en los navegadores. - Foros Softonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong - Computer Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834858</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong - Computer Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong    Source Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong  Web browser memory usage might not be that much of an issue in these days with Gigabytes of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Slashdot Technology Story &#124; Memory&#8230;. Internet Explorer 8&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834811</link>
		<dc:creator>Slashdot Technology Story &#124; Memory&#8230;. Internet Explorer 8&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 17:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A web browser memory usage comparison was recently posted a the Dot Net Pearls website that compared the memory usage of the Google browser Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera 10 and Safari. The web browsers were configureRead more at http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A web browser memory usage comparison was recently posted a the Dot Net Pearls website that compared the memory usage of the Google browser Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera 10 and Safari. The web browsers were configureRead more at <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rarst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biggest thing these test get wrong that there is different memory consumption.

1. Memory usage.
2. Memory leaks.

Memory usage is desirable. Memory is very very fast, it makes sense to make use of this resource. As noted in post Opera may reserve good chunk of memory just to have it ready.

Memory leaks are harmful. This is memory wasted because it was used but forgotten (and thus locked from further usage) afterwards.

Memory test can&#039;t tell a difference between to so they make no sense. Except maybe generating buzz for publisher and marketing leverage for browsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biggest thing these test get wrong that there is different memory consumption.</p>
<p>1. Memory usage.<br />
2. Memory leaks.</p>
<p>Memory usage is desirable. Memory is very very fast, it makes sense to make use of this resource. As noted in post Opera may reserve good chunk of memory just to have it ready.</p>
<p>Memory leaks are harmful. This is memory wasted because it was used but forgotten (and thus locked from further usage) afterwards.</p>
<p>Memory test can&#8217;t tell a difference between to so they make no sense. Except maybe generating buzz for publisher and marketing leverage for browsers.</p>
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		<title>By: Always show a vertical scrollbar&#8230;. qooxdoo &#187; News &#187;&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834546</link>
		<dc:creator>Always show a vertical scrollbar&#8230;. qooxdoo &#187; News &#187;&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A web browser memory usage comparison was recently posted a the Dot Net Pearls website that compared the memory usage of the Google browser Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera 10 and Safari. The web browsers were configureRead more at http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A web browser memory usage comparison was recently posted a the Dot Net Pearls website that compared the memory usage of the Google browser Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Opera 10 and Safari. The web browsers were configureRead more at <a href="http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong &#171; hung.TEXT</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web-browser-memory-usage-benchmark-gets-it-all-wrong/#comment-834526</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong &#171; hung.TEXT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another aspect that needs to be mentioned is the test result of the Opera web browser. Opera is using an automatic setting called Automatic RAM Cache that is enabled by default. This allocated about 10% of the computer memory by default and should be disabled in memory benchmarks. Opera would most likely still have been beaten by Firefox but the gap would probably have been lower. via ghacks.net [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another aspect that needs to be mentioned is the test result of the Opera web browser. Opera is using an automatic setting called Automatic RAM Cache that is enabled by default. This allocated about 10% of the computer memory by default and should be disabled in memory benchmarks. Opera would most likely still have been beaten by Firefox but the gap would probably have been lower. via ghacks.net [...]</p>
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		<title>By: XkiD &#124; Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong &#124; blog.xkid.ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>XkiD &#124; Web Browser Memory Usage Benchmark Gets It All Wrong &#124; blog.xkid.ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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