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> <channel><title>Comments on: Does the web make us devolve?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/</link> <description>A technology news blog covering software, mobile phones, gadgets, security, the Internet and other relevant areas.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 03:50:55 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jojo</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-574406</link> <dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:56:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-574406</guid> <description>Perhaps so Joe.  But bad habits tend to propagate.  Kids communicating in shorthand means they don&#039;t get practice in spelling and grammar. Unfortunately, this often carries over to when they aren&#039;t kids any longer.
There are many stories about younger people who don&#039;t know how to write properly in the  business world or even on their resumes.
I have personally seen many abysmal writing examples from people with 4 year and MBA degrees.
Here is an article that I think you will enjoy:
Nearing &#039;the claps of civilization&#039;
www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/25/INGIL68MT61.DTL</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps so Joe.  But bad habits tend to propagate.  Kids communicating in shorthand means they don&#8217;t get practice in spelling and grammar. Unfortunately, this often carries over to when they aren&#8217;t kids any longer.</p><p>There are many stories about younger people who don&#8217;t know how to write properly in the  business world or even on their resumes.</p><p>I have personally seen many abysmal writing examples from people with 4 year and MBA degrees.</p><p>Here is an article that I think you will enjoy:</p><p>Nearing &#8216;the claps of civilization&#8217;<br
/> www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/04/25/INGIL68MT61.DTL</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Smooth</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-573152</link> <dc:creator>Joe Smooth</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:42:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-573152</guid> <description>Regardless of age there will be members of society who push the boundaries of the norm.  I&#039;m sure we can all imagine a similar conversation in the 1960s regarding hair length.  Although I agree that we can blame it on being too laziness or stupid I feel it is more likely just another example of individuality by conformity (ie: High school kids fight against uniforms and then wear identical outfits).
So when my son refers to &quot;Trees&quot; he&#039;s not stupid enough to think I won&#039;t figure out he means &quot;pot&quot; and when my niece (Honors, AP, blah, blah, blah) sends e-mail with no punctuation and filled with spelling errors I don&#039;t believe she is lazy just less concerned with something I find important and she does not.
Either way the meaning was achieved (The guy didn&#039;t thing Family Guy was funny, My kid is smoking pot and my niece wants more money) everything else is just Shakespeare. :)
-Joe</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of age there will be members of society who push the boundaries of the norm.  I&#8217;m sure we can all imagine a similar conversation in the 1960s regarding hair length.  Although I agree that we can blame it on being too laziness or stupid I feel it is more likely just another example of individuality by conformity (ie: High school kids fight against uniforms and then wear identical outfits).</p><p>So when my son refers to &#8220;Trees&#8221; he&#8217;s not stupid enough to think I won&#8217;t figure out he means &#8220;pot&#8221; and when my niece (Honors, AP, blah, blah, blah) sends e-mail with no punctuation and filled with spelling errors I don&#8217;t believe she is lazy just less concerned with something I find important and she does not.</p><p>Either way the meaning was achieved (The guy didn&#8217;t thing Family Guy was funny, My kid is smoking pot and my niece wants more money) everything else is just Shakespeare. :)</p><p>-Joe</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jojo</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-571484</link> <dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:28:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-571484</guid> <description>Agnotology
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Agnotology, formerly agnatology, is a neologism for the study of culturally-induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data. The term was coined by Robert N. Proctor,[1][2] a Stanford University professor specializing in the history of science and technology.[3] Its name derives from the Greek word ???????, agno-sis, &quot;not knowing&quot;; and -?????, -logia.[4] More generally, the term also highlights the increasingly common condition where more knowledge of a subject leaves one more uncertain than before.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnotology<br
/> From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p><p>Agnotology, formerly agnatology, is a neologism for the study of culturally-induced ignorance or doubt, particularly the publication of inaccurate or misleading scientific data. The term was coined by Robert N. Proctor,[1][2] a Stanford University professor specializing in the history of science and technology.[3] Its name derives from the Greek word ???????, agno-sis, &#8220;not knowing&#8221;; and -?????, -logia.[4] More generally, the term also highlights the increasingly common condition where more knowledge of a subject leaves one more uncertain than before.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gm</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-571136</link> <dc:creator>gm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:58:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-571136</guid> <description>It must. &#039;Devolve&#039; is made to be the opposite of &#039;evolve&#039; which is mistakenly taken to be an improvement. Evolve is simply to change.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must. &#8216;Devolve&#8217; is made to be the opposite of &#8216;evolve&#8217; which is mistakenly taken to be an improvement. Evolve is simply to change.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tombpsyco</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570281</link> <dc:creator>Tombpsyco</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:02:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570281</guid> <description>I always considered myself a horrible speller. But todays text speak is showing up in work documents, on the txt msgs we snd tu ech udder. But I digress, I am a college educated person and I have much respect for my peers. So these people who try write with out using proper words or spelling need to go back to school. Hell I even text to friends in real full rich language, they hate it too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always considered myself a horrible speller. But todays text speak is showing up in work documents, on the txt msgs we snd tu ech udder. But I digress, I am a college educated person and I have much respect for my peers. So these people who try write with out using proper words or spelling need to go back to school. Hell I even text to friends in real full rich language, they hate it too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: RG</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570273</link> <dc:creator>RG</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570273</guid> <description>Internet is a &#039;freeing&#039; tool. The ease of accessibility allows not only freedom but also participation. It becomes a better reflection of society each day. I am not going to sit here and talk as if I know how dumb or smart society is but one thing is pretty certain, the internet has to be becoming a closer reflection of reality. But not always creating the reality. An example of what I am saying is I know people who misspell easy words (they are not doing shorthand) and I think that&#039;s something that comes from offline and is being reflected online.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet is a &#8216;freeing&#8217; tool. The ease of accessibility allows not only freedom but also participation. It becomes a better reflection of society each day. I am not going to sit here and talk as if I know how dumb or smart society is but one thing is pretty certain, the internet has to be becoming a closer reflection of reality. But not always creating the reality. An example of what I am saying is I know people who misspell easy words (they are not doing shorthand) and I think that&#8217;s something that comes from offline and is being reflected online.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Doc</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570225</link> <dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:03:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570225</guid> <description>&quot;Leetspeak&quot; evolved from the idea of &quot;Let me express my individuality...so I can be like everybody else!&quot; ... which evolved from the &quot;freedom of expression&quot; movement of the 60&#039;s.
The problem with this is like others have said...it becomes &quot;the lowest common denominator.&quot;  The only way to combat this is to firmly correct and/or ignore those that use it...&quot;Speak/type correctly or be ignored.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leetspeak&#8221; evolved from the idea of &#8220;Let me express my individuality&#8230;so I can be like everybody else!&#8221; &#8230; which evolved from the &#8220;freedom of expression&#8221; movement of the 60&#8242;s.</p><p>The problem with this is like others have said&#8230;it becomes &#8220;the lowest common denominator.&#8221;  The only way to combat this is to firmly correct and/or ignore those that use it&#8230;&#8221;Speak/type correctly or be ignored.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: User</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570133</link> <dc:creator>User</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570133</guid> <description>to tell you the truth, i think the advancement of the internet is causing the general populace to evolve. it&#039;s much easier to share ideas and information with the internet than any other medium.
if you use the internet frequently and you stay on tab with things, you notice that you are more intelligent than those who rarely/never get online...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to tell you the truth, i think the advancement of the internet is causing the general populace to evolve. it&#8217;s much easier to share ideas and information with the internet than any other medium.</p><p>if you use the internet frequently and you stay on tab with things, you notice that you are more intelligent than those who rarely/never get online&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chris Wuestefeld</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570115</link> <dc:creator>Chris Wuestefeld</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570115</guid> <description>If a poster can&#039;t take the time to write out their statement, have they taken to time to think it through first?
I understand the use of this shorthand on cellphones, between the length limitations and the poor input method. Neither of these handicaps apply to Web forums or blog comments. It suggests to me that such folk are more eager to get their words in than to say something that adds substance to the conversation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a poster can&#8217;t take the time to write out their statement, have they taken to time to think it through first?</p><p>I understand the use of this shorthand on cellphones, between the length limitations and the poor input method. Neither of these handicaps apply to Web forums or blog comments. It suggests to me that such folk are more eager to get their words in than to say something that adds substance to the conversation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steven</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-570084</link> <dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-570084</guid> <description>hmmm, this is a tricky question. One could understand the use of shorthand for users using mobile devices, but when it comes to sitting down with a decent keyboard there really shouldn&#039;t be an excuse for these so called &#039;internet shorthand&#039; posts. I wonder if this is because many users are stuck in some sort of &#039;messenger syndrome&#039; which causes them to speed out this type of shorthand, which I suppose is fine when talking to another person one to one &amp; who is also using the same type of writing, but writing on a site where many people will read, then it&#039;s annoying &amp; rather lazy.
I don&#039;t think it is devolutionary per se, more a sign of today&#039;s up &amp; coming sms generation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, this is a tricky question. One could understand the use of shorthand for users using mobile devices, but when it comes to sitting down with a decent keyboard there really shouldn&#8217;t be an excuse for these so called &#8216;internet shorthand&#8217; posts. I wonder if this is because many users are stuck in some sort of &#8216;messenger syndrome&#8217; which causes them to speed out this type of shorthand, which I suppose is fine when talking to another person one to one &amp; who is also using the same type of writing, but writing on a site where many people will read, then it&#8217;s annoying &amp; rather lazy.<br
/> I don&#8217;t think it is devolutionary per se, more a sign of today&#8217;s up &amp; coming sms generation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Pataki</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-569904</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Pataki</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:44:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-569904</guid> <description>Hi Guys!
Actually I was a bit over cynical on this. I don&#039;t actually think we are devolving, but standards are dropping too much I think.
My girfriends little brother writes like that on the net all the time and he&#039;s as smart as anybody else.
I just don&#039;t see why peopel have to talk like this, I&#039;m not into the whole respect thing, but this is getting a bit out of hand. And I mean the net is NOT a cellphone, you don&#039;t type messages like you were using a cellphone, this is not an excuse.
I agree, it&#039;s probably just the anonymity, but still...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys!</p><p>Actually I was a bit over cynical on this. I don&#8217;t actually think we are devolving, but standards are dropping too much I think.</p><p>My girfriends little brother writes like that on the net all the time and he&#8217;s as smart as anybody else.</p><p>I just don&#8217;t see why peopel have to talk like this, I&#8217;m not into the whole respect thing, but this is getting a bit out of hand. And I mean the net is NOT a cellphone, you don&#8217;t type messages like you were using a cellphone, this is not an excuse.</p><p>I agree, it&#8217;s probably just the anonymity, but still&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sensaes</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-569429</link> <dc:creator>Sensaes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:02:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-569429</guid> <description>It&#039;d make a wonderful headline:  &quot;Family Guy discussion uncovers hidden horror of Internet dyslexia.  Iz we all d00md?&quot;  ;o)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d make a wonderful headline:  &#8220;Family Guy discussion uncovers hidden horror of Internet dyslexia.  Iz we all d00md?&#8221;  ;o)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: marcelo</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-569328</link> <dc:creator>marcelo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:51:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-569328</guid> <description>one of the reasons for the shorthand method is cellphones. yeah, maximizing space to fit your message to only one text message has devolve people into thinking that all textbox has limits.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of the reasons for the shorthand method is cellphones. yeah, maximizing space to fit your message to only one text message has devolve people into thinking that all textbox has limits.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: g</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-569070</link> <dc:creator>g</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:39:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-569070</guid> <description>i don&#039;t think family guy is funny.
i&#039;m not sure how to say that in &quot;internet shorthand&quot;
what is devolving are the amount of people who have learned to type.
what we have here is a lack of communication.  the internet has made it possible for non typers to emerge.
the horror.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think family guy is funny.</p><p>i&#8217;m not sure how to say that in &#8220;internet shorthand&#8221;</p><p>what is devolving are the amount of people who have learned to type.</p><p>what we have here is a lack of communication.  the internet has made it possible for non typers to emerge.</p><p>the horror.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Diablo1123</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-569002</link> <dc:creator>Diablo1123</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:59:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-569002</guid> <description>I say that there are people who are like that everywhere, its just the internet allows to to act like idiots because of the anonymity.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say that there are people who are like that everywhere, its just the internet allows to to act like idiots because of the anonymity.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yansky</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-568923</link> <dc:creator>Yansky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:09:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-568923</guid> <description>ZOMGBBQ!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ZOMGBBQ!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Womble</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-568886</link> <dc:creator>Womble</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:47:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-568886</guid> <description>I suppose it depends on the reason the person is doing it too. I mean I do it sometimes even verbally and i&#039;m in my 40&#039;s! but to be honest it&#039;s purely tongue in cheek and most of the people in my circle of friends know where i&#039;m coming from. I fully realise how ridiculous it sounds when I do it, that&#039;s the whole point of it.
As with most things there&#039;s a time and a place.
The web certainly hasn&#039;t made us devolve, I will try my hands and many things now with the help of google, things I wouldn&#039;t have dreamed about ten years ago when I was n00b ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it depends on the reason the person is doing it too. I mean I do it sometimes even verbally and i&#8217;m in my 40&#8242;s! but to be honest it&#8217;s purely tongue in cheek and most of the people in my circle of friends know where i&#8217;m coming from. I fully realise how ridiculous it sounds when I do it, that&#8217;s the whole point of it.</p><p>As with most things there&#8217;s a time and a place.</p><p>The web certainly hasn&#8217;t made us devolve, I will try my hands and many things now with the help of google, things I wouldn&#8217;t have dreamed about ten years ago when I was n00b ;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rarst</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-568856</link> <dc:creator>Rarst</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:27:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-568856</guid> <description>Internet is just one more place to hang out, it doesn&#039;t change people in any way.
Looked cleaner in early years but the more people online the more it is like real world.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Internet is just one more place to hang out, it doesn&#8217;t change people in any way.</p><p>Looked cleaner in early years but the more people online the more it is like real world.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jojo</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-568852</link> <dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:25:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-568852</guid> <description>There were always a lot of stupid people, the internet just allows them to be more visible to a wider audience.
As to the writing in texting shorthand, the problem is that this is how many people write all the time.  I&#039;ve read some stories where young people get into business, try to write like that and get slapped upside the head.
But maybe we are moving to a world like the movie Idiocracy?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were always a lot of stupid people, the internet just allows them to be more visible to a wider audience.</p><p>As to the writing in texting shorthand, the problem is that this is how many people write all the time.  I&#8217;ve read some stories where young people get into business, try to write like that and get slapped upside the head.</p><p>But maybe we are moving to a world like the movie Idiocracy?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zondron</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/12/15/does-the-web-make-us-devolve/comment-page-1/#comment-568847</link> <dc:creator>zondron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 23:20:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/?p=9030#comment-568847</guid> <description>the internet does not make one stupid, it&#039;s because more stupid people are using internet these days</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the internet does not make one stupid, it&#8217;s because more stupid people are using internet these days</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
