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		<title>By: ShAhZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-613745</link>
		<dc:creator>ShAhZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did i mention its 768 kbps Up also..lol.. strange for a developing country, but its better off in IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did i mention its 768 kbps Up also..lol.. strange for a developing country, but its better off in IT.</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeX</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-613692</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$24 a month for cable would be incredible.  We&#039;d have similar prices if we had choices, but, most people are stuck with only one cable provider... and, then it becomes &quot;pay this premium or use a dish&quot; ... and the service quality of a dish isn&#039;t even remotely comparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$24 a month for cable would be incredible.  We&#8217;d have similar prices if we had choices, but, most people are stuck with only one cable provider&#8230; and, then it becomes &#8220;pay this premium or use a dish&#8221; &#8230; and the service quality of a dish isn&#8217;t even remotely comparable.</p>
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		<title>By: ShAhZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-613541</link>
		<dc:creator>ShAhZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would&#039;nt :P</description>
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		<title>By: ShAhZ</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-613528</link>
		<dc:creator>ShAhZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In pakistan we pay Rs 1850(24$)/month for a 768 kbps connection with no download limit watsoever. As for the 250 gig limit..i believe that is good enough though if an option of say 50 gig more for say 5$ would seem like a bad idea.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In pakistan we pay Rs 1850(24$)/month for a 768 kbps connection with no download limit watsoever. As for the 250 gig limit..i believe that is good enough though if an option of say 50 gig more for say 5$ would seem like a bad idea.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Flumuxed</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-519383</link>
		<dc:creator>Flumuxed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 10:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine if everyone gobbled up 250gigs a month!

Is there an element of greed there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine if everyone gobbled up 250gigs a month!</p>
<p>Is there an element of greed there?</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeX</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-502852</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true...  the relaxation of anti-trust and monopoly law enforcement will probably spell the eventual end of our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true&#8230;  the relaxation of anti-trust and monopoly law enforcement will probably spell the eventual end of our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-502411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments JudgeX.  Unfortunately, this is America.  Big companies such as Comcast get to do what they want as long as they continue contributing to the politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments JudgeX.  Unfortunately, this is America.  Big companies such as Comcast get to do what they want as long as they continue contributing to the politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeX</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-501778</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.  It used to be that the reason the cost was so high for Broadband was that the mega-downloader guys were being subsidized by average joe downloaders... the old &quot;shoplifting maxim&quot;...

Now that the mega-download-kids are being charged for their &quot;overage&quot;... shouldn&#039;t everyone else&#039;s bill decrease when they don&#039;t spend 250gb worth of bandwidth?

No?  Less service, same price, Comcast?  Niiiice.

Someone is starting to sound a lot like an oil company now that they are big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.  It used to be that the reason the cost was so high for Broadband was that the mega-downloader guys were being subsidized by average joe downloaders&#8230; the old &#8220;shoplifting maxim&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that the mega-download-kids are being charged for their &#8220;overage&#8221;&#8230; shouldn&#8217;t everyone else&#8217;s bill decrease when they don&#8217;t spend 250gb worth of bandwidth?</p>
<p>No?  Less service, same price, Comcast?  Niiiice.</p>
<p>Someone is starting to sound a lot like an oil company now that they are big.</p>
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		<title>By: JudgeX</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-501763</link>
		<dc:creator>JudgeX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the limitation is generally not seen immediately.

But, here are some places where it will become problematic.

1) I use Netflix to watch a lot of movies online, sometimes only one or two movies in a month, but, sometimes 10+, or entire seasons of TV shows.  As time goes on, quality improves, the size of these downloads increases.  In a few years, the amount of HD content available to stream from netflix or other services, legally, will be many volumes more.  There have been nights where Netflix has replaced my television outright.

2) An average online game will use about 300kb per minute.  Some games use 500k to 1 MB per minute.  As time goes on, this will increase, as it has been.  60 MB an hour adds up relatively fast, especially for MMOs, where a player may literally not disconnect for more than 5 hours at a time.  Remember that this is in right now &quot;2008&quot; terms, in &quot;2013&quot; terms, this will be more like 200 MB an hour.  This doesn&#039;t even refer to the games being downloaded themselves, which is more.
 
3) Voice over IP, Video Conferencing, Internet Radio, Internet television technologies, all bundled together, and being used in households that have multiple computer users (mine only has two, some have 4 or 5) all add up quickly.  Right now, a single user would be hard pressed to outdo the 250gb limit without a very special scenario, but, add in 2 or 3 more people to that family/apartment, banging on that same router, and take into consideration that the quality of online media will increase over time... you can very quickly see a reasonable percentage of people running into that limit in 2010 or 2012.

Now Comcast wants to charge more for this?

$140 per month for a DVR, Crappy Channel Selection, no premium channels, and the same old cable internet everyone else has?  That&#039;s what I pay.  Now they want more when I go over?

It&#039;s possible that this is all accidentally left future vulnerable, but, I would wager that comcast specifically failed to future proof so that they could scrape up $150-160 a month from their average customer base when they offer to remove the cap for an additional fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the limitation is generally not seen immediately.</p>
<p>But, here are some places where it will become problematic.</p>
<p>1) I use Netflix to watch a lot of movies online, sometimes only one or two movies in a month, but, sometimes 10+, or entire seasons of TV shows.  As time goes on, quality improves, the size of these downloads increases.  In a few years, the amount of HD content available to stream from netflix or other services, legally, will be many volumes more.  There have been nights where Netflix has replaced my television outright.</p>
<p>2) An average online game will use about 300kb per minute.  Some games use 500k to 1 MB per minute.  As time goes on, this will increase, as it has been.  60 MB an hour adds up relatively fast, especially for MMOs, where a player may literally not disconnect for more than 5 hours at a time.  Remember that this is in right now &#8220;2008&#8243; terms, in &#8220;2013&#8243; terms, this will be more like 200 MB an hour.  This doesn&#8217;t even refer to the games being downloaded themselves, which is more.</p>
<p>3) Voice over IP, Video Conferencing, Internet Radio, Internet television technologies, all bundled together, and being used in households that have multiple computer users (mine only has two, some have 4 or 5) all add up quickly.  Right now, a single user would be hard pressed to outdo the 250gb limit without a very special scenario, but, add in 2 or 3 more people to that family/apartment, banging on that same router, and take into consideration that the quality of online media will increase over time&#8230; you can very quickly see a reasonable percentage of people running into that limit in 2010 or 2012.</p>
<p>Now Comcast wants to charge more for this?</p>
<p>$140 per month for a DVR, Crappy Channel Selection, no premium channels, and the same old cable internet everyone else has?  That&#8217;s what I pay.  Now they want more when I go over?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that this is all accidentally left future vulnerable, but, I would wager that comcast specifically failed to future proof so that they could scrape up $150-160 a month from their average customer base when they offer to remove the cap for an additional fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Motes Electronics Inc.</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-470601</link>
		<dc:creator>Motes Electronics Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was just looking over this, my company together uses over 800 GB&#039;s a day, but it is quiet understandable since we have like 200 computers running all day and about 30 servers we would be screwed if we had com cast huh??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was just looking over this, my company together uses over 800 GB&#8217;s a day, but it is quiet understandable since we have like 200 computers running all day and about 30 servers we would be screwed if we had com cast huh??</p>
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		<title>By: eloko</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-467634</link>
		<dc:creator>eloko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use like around 500gb or more a month with movies shows games... and tv, and thats not HD tv yet, just the normal... i guess i never make with those 250. good i have connection at 6mb download and i ask about going to 10mb and they told me they cant. i was wonder why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use like around 500gb or more a month with movies shows games&#8230; and tv, and thats not HD tv yet, just the normal&#8230; i guess i never make with those 250. good i have connection at 6mb download and i ask about going to 10mb and they told me they cant. i was wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-465503</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own UK ISP is starting to impose limits, not to mention keeping a record of my downloads for any bureaucratic busybody to inspect. Room 101 here we come.

Commercially-speaking, the words that come most readily to mind are &quot;goose&quot; and &quot;golden eggs&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own UK ISP is starting to impose limits, not to mention keeping a record of my downloads for any bureaucratic busybody to inspect. Room 101 here we come.</p>
<p>Commercially-speaking, the words that come most readily to mind are &#8220;goose&#8221; and &#8220;golden eggs&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: MrD666</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-464811</link>
		<dc:creator>MrD666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well prior to Adelphia being absorbed by Comcast I could say between my game consoles, and other content, I was doing about 350 to 500 GIGS a month... really, you have to include everything from browsing, emails, streaming media (which is now becoming even more important to content suppliers), and other mediums. I don&#039;t think that its just limited to the &quot;WAREZ KIDDIES&quot;. I&#039;m no longer living in the US, and I&#039;m in Eastern Europe myself and while I&#039;m not doing that amount of transfers, I would say, I could get close, if I even didn&#039;t TRY hard. Yes I mean that, and I&#039;m not sucking down hardly any sort of stuff like in the past. It would scare me, and I would feel like my money wasn&#039;t going for what I&#039;m paying for.

And for the record this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with infrastructure, Comcast got the totally FIBER network that Adelphia had built. They could handle tons more, TONS MORE. I knew a guy that worked for Adelphia, and he said the old network could handle amounts of close to the FIBER.

I think its more to free up bandwidth for a forthcoming digital content launch.

And just for arguments sake, what about those of us with more than 1 computer? It then becomes a division 2= 125.50 GIG, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well prior to Adelphia being absorbed by Comcast I could say between my game consoles, and other content, I was doing about 350 to 500 GIGS a month&#8230; really, you have to include everything from browsing, emails, streaming media (which is now becoming even more important to content suppliers), and other mediums. I don&#8217;t think that its just limited to the &#8220;WAREZ KIDDIES&#8221;. I&#8217;m no longer living in the US, and I&#8217;m in Eastern Europe myself and while I&#8217;m not doing that amount of transfers, I would say, I could get close, if I even didn&#8217;t TRY hard. Yes I mean that, and I&#8217;m not sucking down hardly any sort of stuff like in the past. It would scare me, and I would feel like my money wasn&#8217;t going for what I&#8217;m paying for.</p>
<p>And for the record this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with infrastructure, Comcast got the totally FIBER network that Adelphia had built. They could handle tons more, TONS MORE. I knew a guy that worked for Adelphia, and he said the old network could handle amounts of close to the FIBER.</p>
<p>I think its more to free up bandwidth for a forthcoming digital content launch.</p>
<p>And just for arguments sake, what about those of us with more than 1 computer? It then becomes a division 2= 125.50 GIG, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Transcontinental</title>
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		<dc:creator>Transcontinental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Limits, even if not reached, are psychologically detestable otherwise than is social life. Moreover it is a nasty counter-advertisement. Internet providers have far enough users who retain very/little bandwidth to ... provide them with enough band-flow to handle hungrier users. To be in the logic of insurance, they should, when rising limits, lower charges for those who use bandwidth like a pretty lady sugar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Limits, even if not reached, are psychologically detestable otherwise than is social life. Moreover it is a nasty counter-advertisement. Internet providers have far enough users who retain very/little bandwidth to &#8230; provide them with enough band-flow to handle hungrier users. To be in the logic of insurance, they should, when rising limits, lower charges for those who use bandwidth like a pretty lady sugar!</p>
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		<title>By: iampriteshdesai</title>
		<link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/08/29/how-much-bandwidth-do-you-need/#comment-464307</link>
		<dc:creator>iampriteshdesai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody once said ,&quot; Internet has enough for everyone&#039;s need but not for greed.&quot;
I&#039;d even kill for getting your net connections.
In India I only get 1 GB per month at 512 kbps in 2008.
And I am satisfied with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody once said ,&#8221; Internet has enough for everyone&#8217;s need but not for greed.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;d even kill for getting your net connections.<br />
In India I only get 1 GB per month at 512 kbps in 2008.<br />
And I am satisfied with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Declan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Declan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Thinker
Or 11 movies in avi format.


For all those with way less than 250GB a month (1GB a day or less), what would you do with 8GBs? I don&#039;t even know could I download that much data a day: I&#039;d run out of things I wanted to watch and listen to pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thinker<br />
Or 11 movies in avi format.</p>
<p>For all those with way less than 250GB a month (1GB a day or less), what would you do with 8GBs? I don&#8217;t even know could I download that much data a day: I&#8217;d run out of things I wanted to watch and listen to pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you wrong Martin. 250GB is enough for 99% of users. 8GB per day? That&#039;s one or two HD movies. My question is: do you watch every day a movie? And is there possible to find so much HD content to download every day? Would it be legal? I really don&#039;t think. In Poland some years ago we got 15GB limit on a 0.5mbit internet. That was a horror. I got problems with that. But today? Even if I watch weekly ~3 movies and sometimes I download other big stuff I&#039;m still under 50GB /month. 250GB is really good limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you wrong Martin. 250GB is enough for 99% of users. 8GB per day? That&#8217;s one or two HD movies. My question is: do you watch every day a movie? And is there possible to find so much HD content to download every day? Would it be legal? I really don&#8217;t think. In Poland some years ago we got 15GB limit on a 0.5mbit internet. That was a horror. I got problems with that. But today? Even if I watch weekly ~3 movies and sometimes I download other big stuff I&#8217;m still under 50GB /month. 250GB is really good limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to weight in my 2 cents, there is usually no bandwidth limitation in place in Germany. You can download as much as you want. Competition is pretty stiff here which might be the reason why no one is even thinking about bandwidth limitations currently.

You get a 16 Mbit / 1 Mbit ADSL2 flatrate plus phone flatrate for land based calls for 40 Euro which is roughly $60.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to weight in my 2 cents, there is usually no bandwidth limitation in place in Germany. You can download as much as you want. Competition is pretty stiff here which might be the reason why no one is even thinking about bandwidth limitations currently.</p>
<p>You get a 16 Mbit / 1 Mbit ADSL2 flatrate plus phone flatrate for land based calls for 40 Euro which is roughly $60.</p>
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		<title>By: unruled</title>
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		<dc:creator>unruled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>australia&#039;s internet is pretty sad. I recall its ranked worse than Turkey.. and well, if you&#039;ve been to turkey and seen the infrastructure, you should know how bad that means it is.

Especially granted that in australia the problem isn&#039;t infra-structure, just lack of investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>australia&#8217;s internet is pretty sad. I recall its ranked worse than Turkey.. and well, if you&#8217;ve been to turkey and seen the infrastructure, you should know how bad that means it is.</p>
<p>Especially granted that in australia the problem isn&#8217;t infra-structure, just lack of investment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Glad I don&#039;t have any limits if I DID want to download a lot of content.  I am on AT&amp;T DSL.  Unlimited (so far).  US$30/month for 3mb down / 512kb up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Glad I don&#8217;t have any limits if I DID want to download a lot of content.  I am on AT&amp;T DSL.  Unlimited (so far).  US$30/month for 3mb down / 512kb up.</p>
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