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> <channel><title>Comments on: DefenseWall HIPS</title> <atom:link href="http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/</link> <description>A technology news blog covering software, mobile phones, gadgets, security, the Internet and other relevant areas.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:43:59 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Ilya Rabinovich</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-2/#comment-266856</link> <dc:creator>Ilya Rabinovich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:30:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266856</guid> <description>To GR- you see, HIPS is not an AV, ans Windows Security Center do not recognizes HIPS- it simply has no slot for it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To GR- you see, HIPS is not an AV, ans Windows Security Center do not recognizes HIPS- it simply has no slot for it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GR Terrero</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266577</link> <dc:creator>GR Terrero</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:51:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266577</guid> <description>You see...this is one of those things that the Gnomes of Redmond should have just DONE in their zeal to create the plethora of &quot;security&quot; features for XP and Vista.  Why didn&#039;t they just allow Windows Firewall to do this from jump?  But of course, far be it for them to list their own browser as an &quot;untrusted&quot; app; although the annoying security prompts when using IE basically lets the user know that it can&#039;t be trusted to begin with.  And far be it for them to actually design a level of intuitiveness into their programs.  The end result is that the average user is bombarded with anoying, confusing and often useless choices.
Yes, that Apple commercial was ridiculously funny.  The sad fact is that had Windows Firewall been designed to work like the aforementioned app, Apple would have little to joke about and a whole lot to worry about.
While I&#039;m at it, is this program recognized by Windows Firewall the same way my AV program is?  If it is, it&#039;s a welcome addition in the viral wars!
Include me.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see&#8230;this is one of those things that the Gnomes of Redmond should have just DONE in their zeal to create the plethora of &#8220;security&#8221; features for XP and Vista.  Why didn&#8217;t they just allow Windows Firewall to do this from jump?  But of course, far be it for them to list their own browser as an &#8220;untrusted&#8221; app; although the annoying security prompts when using IE basically lets the user know that it can&#8217;t be trusted to begin with.  And far be it for them to actually design a level of intuitiveness into their programs.  The end result is that the average user is bombarded with anoying, confusing and often useless choices.</p><p>Yes, that Apple commercial was ridiculously funny.  The sad fact is that had Windows Firewall been designed to work like the aforementioned app, Apple would have little to joke about and a whole lot to worry about.</p><p>While I&#8217;m at it, is this program recognized by Windows Firewall the same way my AV program is?  If it is, it&#8217;s a welcome addition in the viral wars!</p><p>Include me.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ilya Rabinovich</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266493</link> <dc:creator>Ilya Rabinovich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:54:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266493</guid> <description>To Dante- well, this is a nice idea. I have some community participants who are Chinese- I&#039;ll ask them about such the possibility. Thanks a lot!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dante- well, this is a nice idea. I have some community participants who are Chinese- I&#8217;ll ask them about such the possibility. Thanks a lot!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Johan Gustavsson</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266460</link> <dc:creator>Johan Gustavsson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266460</guid> <description>Hi, I&#039;m also interested in a copy...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m also interested in a copy&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ilya Rabinovich</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266458</link> <dc:creator>Ilya Rabinovich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266458</guid> <description>duryodhan, you see, I don&#039;t know the exact resource usage, the only thing I know is that it works OK at my old (Pentium2-450, 386MB of RAM) and my new (AMD 3800+, 2Gb of RAM) computers. Not sure you will find any slowdowns with it at your&#039;s computer or at your friend&#039;s ones :)
As about UI and the core ideology- I tried to implement it as simple in learning curve as possible. And, as I know by my community feedback- I have reached a success with it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>duryodhan, you see, I don&#8217;t know the exact resource usage, the only thing I know is that it works OK at my old (Pentium2-450, 386MB of RAM) and my new (AMD 3800+, 2Gb of RAM) computers. Not sure you will find any slowdowns with it at your&#8217;s computer or at your friend&#8217;s ones :)</p><p>As about UI and the core ideology- I tried to implement it as simple in learning curve as possible. And, as I know by my community feedback- I have reached a success with it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dante</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266455</link> <dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266455</guid> <description>Hey Martin,
After the software&#039;s been dished out.  You might want to revisit the issue again to let the users vent their praise or dislikes.  This way, at least, I&#039;ll know whether to spend actual money on it for the lesser technical minded folks.
And Ilya:
This idea might be totally off the wall, but have you tried contacting the Chinese concerns like Legend Computer, Lenovo or Asus?  China has a huge problem with uneducated PC users who are totally infected.  You will have to lower the prices for that market though.  And you&#039;ll definitely need some anti-piracy protection.  Maybe a Chinese language version that&#039;ll only work with Chinese languaged OS&#039;s.  It&#039;ll keep pirated copies out of the more lucrative US market.
As a reminder, do not include me in the draw.  It&#039;ll be wasted on me as I don&#039;t have time to test it out.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Martin,</p><p>After the software&#8217;s been dished out.  You might want to revisit the issue again to let the users vent their praise or dislikes.  This way, at least, I&#8217;ll know whether to spend actual money on it for the lesser technical minded folks.</p><p>And Ilya:</p><p>This idea might be totally off the wall, but have you tried contacting the Chinese concerns like Legend Computer, Lenovo or Asus?  China has a huge problem with uneducated PC users who are totally infected.  You will have to lower the prices for that market though.  And you&#8217;ll definitely need some anti-piracy protection.  Maybe a Chinese language version that&#8217;ll only work with Chinese languaged OS&#8217;s.  It&#8217;ll keep pirated copies out of the more lucrative US market.</p><p>As a reminder, do not include me in the draw.  It&#8217;ll be wasted on me as I don&#8217;t have time to test it out.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sean Mac</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266452</link> <dc:creator>Sean Mac</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:05:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266452</guid> <description>Well with the &quot;anti virus&quot; options that are available right now, this product could have the capacity to actually preform to a greater degree than the predecessors that came before. I welcome this change as I have been burned by the other products even going so far as getting an all clear from multiple archive scans only to have it infect my system minutes later. Any program that brings about change in the way that we protect our digital selves is much welcomed in the electronic age.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well with the &#8220;anti virus&#8221; options that are available right now, this product could have the capacity to actually preform to a greater degree than the predecessors that came before. I welcome this change as I have been burned by the other products even going so far as getting an all clear from multiple archive scans only to have it infect my system minutes later. Any program that brings about change in the way that we protect our digital selves is much welcomed in the electronic age.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: duryodhan</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266237</link> <dc:creator>duryodhan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:53:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266237</guid> <description>Illya,
No offense but I would like real numbers on the resources issue, not just a &quot;very low&quot;. :)
I agree with you on the biggest vulnerability thing. Thats why I said that more important is UI as only a friendly, easy to understand UI will make sure that the user doesn&#039;t add wrong programs to trusted group.
By the way, I would also love such a software (not for me), but for my parents or relatives who keep calling me for &quot;support&quot;, from the latest crash.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illya,</p><p>No offense but I would like real numbers on the resources issue, not just a &#8220;very low&#8221;. :)</p><p>I agree with you on the biggest vulnerability thing. Thats why I said that more important is UI as only a friendly, easy to understand UI will make sure that the user doesn&#8217;t add wrong programs to trusted group.</p><p>By the way, I would also love such a software (not for me), but for my parents or relatives who keep calling me for &#8220;support&#8221;, from the latest crash.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Qwfwq</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266158</link> <dc:creator>Qwfwq</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:45:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266158</guid> <description>Well, I would try it if I got it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I would try it if I got it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rico</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266154</link> <dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:35:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266154</guid> <description>I had given Sandboxie a try, but for me the learning curve was a bit to high, and I wasn&#039;t patient enough to give it a chance. I hope DefenseWall HIPS is more user friendly.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had given Sandboxie a try, but for me the learning curve was a bit to high, and I wasn&#8217;t patient enough to give it a chance. I hope DefenseWall HIPS is more user friendly.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: james dickerson</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266118</link> <dc:creator>james dickerson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266118</guid> <description>i think that this should be an effective way to control unknown intrusions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that this should be an effective way to control unknown intrusions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ilya Rabinovich</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266055</link> <dc:creator>Ilya Rabinovich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:47:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266055</guid> <description>To Dante:
1) DefenseWall HIPS is not a &quot;one more&quot; virtual environment like VMWare, it is a policy-based sandbox anti-malware protection, made to be as simple in everyday use as possible and strong in its defense by the true old-school hacker.
2) Yes, I tried to bundle it with some PC vendors in the place I live (Moscow, Russia), but failed- I had no response.
To dyryodhan:
1) System&#039;s resources usage is very low.
2) Mostly, people from the Wilders security forum.
3) There should be no problems. If you meet the one- mail me to support.
4) Not all the vulnerabilities are buffer overflow. The biggest vulnerability in this world is a guy who runs attachment in order to check who sent him &quot;I love you&quot; message.
To Dahlberg:
There is even no straightforward methodology of such the software (HIPS) tests (just google for a &#039;AMTSO&#039;, I&#039;m a participant of this group). So, right now, it is mostly a question of a trust.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dante:<br
/> 1) DefenseWall HIPS is not a &#8220;one more&#8221; virtual environment like VMWare, it is a policy-based sandbox anti-malware protection, made to be as simple in everyday use as possible and strong in its defense by the true old-school hacker.<br
/> 2) Yes, I tried to bundle it with some PC vendors in the place I live (Moscow, Russia), but failed- I had no response.</p><p>To dyryodhan:<br
/> 1) System&#8217;s resources usage is very low.<br
/> 2) Mostly, people from the Wilders security forum.<br
/> 3) There should be no problems. If you meet the one- mail me to support.<br
/> 4) Not all the vulnerabilities are buffer overflow. The biggest vulnerability in this world is a guy who runs attachment in order to check who sent him &#8220;I love you&#8221; message.</p><p>To Dahlberg:<br
/> There is even no straightforward methodology of such the software (HIPS) tests (just google for a &#8216;AMTSO&#8217;, I&#8217;m a participant of this group). So, right now, it is mostly a question of a trust.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266020</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:09:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266020</guid> <description>This looks to be a great product for those of us who spend our days on the internet.  I&#039;m always careful, but it never hurts to have an extra layer of protection between me and the nasties out there.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks to be a great product for those of us who spend our days on the internet.  I&#8217;m always careful, but it never hurts to have an extra layer of protection between me and the nasties out there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Pär Dahlberg</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266019</link> <dc:creator>Pär Dahlberg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266019</guid> <description>I can&#039;t live without programs like this one. At least not on my windows machine. The question, as commented earlier, is just if it&#039;s good enough.
Anyone knows of any site where they do in depth tests of this kind of programs?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t live without programs like this one. At least not on my windows machine. The question, as commented earlier, is just if it&#8217;s good enough.</p><p>Anyone knows of any site where they do in depth tests of this kind of programs?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Johnathan Hulme</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266016</link> <dc:creator>Johnathan Hulme</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266016</guid> <description>I would be interested to see what the system overheads are while running this. Particularly on lower end machines running XP.
A 3rd line of defense is always beneficial although a lot does come down to how easy the alerts for a general home user are to understand.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to see what the system overheads are while running this. Particularly on lower end machines running XP.</p><p>A 3rd line of defense is always beneficial although a lot does come down to how easy the alerts for a general home user are to understand.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Simon Lok</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-266009</link> <dc:creator>Simon Lok</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:46:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-266009</guid> <description>sounds like a really great system utility.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like a really great system utility.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: greg</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-265999</link> <dc:creator>greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-265999</guid> <description>If not to late...I&#039;d love to get a copy!
thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If not to late&#8230;I&#8217;d love to get a copy!</p><p>thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: duryodhan</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-265992</link> <dc:creator>duryodhan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-265992</guid> <description>Ok few questions :
how much does this add as load to my system ? any data on memory / cpu usage ?
who has tested this out ? As in actual security people? Cos the one thing worse than having a unsecure system is having an unsecure system which you _think_ is secure.
If every program runs in its own virtual environment, wouldn&#039;t it cos some problems? I mean, would Google Talk be able to access my currently playing song?
It seems to say that untrusted processes are blocked from accessing the system areas. But isn&#039;t this what exploits are all about ? A windows XP install with sp2 is supposed to block any access to the secure areas, but there is always some buffer overflow exploit hanging around.
How would you rate the usability? Cos the thing is , I don&#039;t really need a software like this, as I would know better than use IE6, or go to &quot;different&quot; sites etc. The person who would do such things, would need some really easy to use interface. The UI is where the true innovation is needed. The backend tech for all this has been there for a long time, its just hard making it usable.
&quot;It protects against ,...rootkits,&quot;
well not the ones which are installed by software from some reputed company (Sony?), which says you need to install this for you to get your support or something like that. I mean, rootkits were easy only because the user was stupid, I don&#039;t see how anything will change over here. I am talking about rootkits specifically. This will help in malware which comes in through IE/Firefox.
Incidently, everyone ought to use NoScript to make firefox actually secure, the normal firefox isn&#039;t really upto the task.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok few questions :</p><p>how much does this add as load to my system ? any data on memory / cpu usage ?</p><p>who has tested this out ? As in actual security people? Cos the one thing worse than having a unsecure system is having an unsecure system which you _think_ is secure.</p><p>If every program runs in its own virtual environment, wouldn&#8217;t it cos some problems? I mean, would Google Talk be able to access my currently playing song?</p><p>It seems to say that untrusted processes are blocked from accessing the system areas. But isn&#8217;t this what exploits are all about ? A windows XP install with sp2 is supposed to block any access to the secure areas, but there is always some buffer overflow exploit hanging around.</p><p>How would you rate the usability? Cos the thing is , I don&#8217;t really need a software like this, as I would know better than use IE6, or go to &#8220;different&#8221; sites etc. The person who would do such things, would need some really easy to use interface. The UI is where the true innovation is needed. The backend tech for all this has been there for a long time, its just hard making it usable.</p><p>&#8220;It protects against ,&#8230;rootkits,&#8221;<br
/> well not the ones which are installed by software from some reputed company (Sony?), which says you need to install this for you to get your support or something like that. I mean, rootkits were easy only because the user was stupid, I don&#8217;t see how anything will change over here. I am talking about rootkits specifically. This will help in malware which comes in through IE/Firefox.</p><p>Incidently, everyone ought to use NoScript to make firefox actually secure, the normal firefox isn&#8217;t really upto the task.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dante</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-265986</link> <dc:creator>Dante</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-265986</guid> <description>Don&#039;t include me in the draw.  I don&#039;t need it.  Just like to comment.  This is a neat little program for US$30.  Have they considered bundling it with PC vendors as a trial program?  I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;ll get a wider subscription base if they do.
I personally go the much more complicate route of using VMWare and multiple virtual systems.  That&#039;s why I won&#039;t need to compete with the others for a copy of this :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t include me in the draw.  I don&#8217;t need it.  Just like to comment.  This is a neat little program for US$30.  Have they considered bundling it with PC vendors as a trial program?  I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;ll get a wider subscription base if they do.</p><p>I personally go the much more complicate route of using VMWare and multiple virtual systems.  That&#8217;s why I won&#8217;t need to compete with the others for a copy of this :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: rruben</title><link>http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/comment-page-1/#comment-265983</link> <dc:creator>rruben</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.ghacks.net/2008/02/20/defensewall-hips/#comment-265983</guid> <description>This sound to be a great program. I tried sandboxie some time ago, but was not user friendly enough. But from the things that Martin said, I think this most be a great program and like to get a copy. :p
Thanks</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sound to be a great program. I tried sandboxie some time ago, but was not user friendly enough. But from the things that Martin said, I think this most be a great program and like to get a copy. :p</p><p>Thanks</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
