Comments on: Artists are leaving the sinking ship http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/ A technology blog covering software, mobile phones, gadgets, security, the Internet and other relevant areas. Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:09:54 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: D3 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177759 D3 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:43:28 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177759 Even with video, 4TB is still a bit much ....don't get me wrong it would be really sick to have 4 TB and I'd be right on board to getting one ;) Even with video, 4TB is still a bit much ….don’t get me wrong it would be really sick to have 4 TB and I’d be right on board to getting one ;)

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177682 Jesse Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:27:51 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177682 4T could be overkill. But if you take into account video, all of a sudden 4T isn't so much over kill if you are storing bluray discs. Plus you could back up everything in another place. 4T could be overkill. But if you take into account
video, all of a sudden 4T isn’t so much over kill if you are storing bluray discs. Plus you could back up everything in another place.

]]> By: D3 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177522 D3 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:56:50 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177522 4TB is a bit over kill, i have a 30 GB ipod and I'm finding it rather tough to fill it. Not to say that i have a very comprehensive selection of music, but it is a lot. Furthermore, Memory will always become cheaper with the advent of the next best thing. Not trying to spite anyone, just adding my 2 cents 4TB is a bit over kill, i have a 30 GB ipod and I’m finding it rather tough to fill it. Not to say that i have a very comprehensive selection of music, but it is a lot. Furthermore, Memory will always become cheaper with the advent of the next best thing. Not trying to spite anyone, just adding my 2 cents

]]> By: Mosey http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177507 Mosey Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:05:14 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177507 I read on the BBC that a 4TB hard drive may become available in the future due to recent advances: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7044606.stm I read on the BBC that a 4TB hard drive may become available in the future due to recent advances:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7044606.stm

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177187 Jesse Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:48:05 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177187 I think the best solution is for storage to get cheaper so artists can be satisfied with the sound quality and fan can fit tons of lossless music on their players. I think the best solution is for storage to get cheaper so artists can be satisfied with the sound quality and fan can fit tons of lossless music on their players.

]]> By: Mosey http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177136 Mosey Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:36:00 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-177136 I try and rip my CDs to the best possible MP3 compression possible (320kbps CBR) mainly because it's just much more practical, as I can fit more songs into my older mp3 player this way as I love listening to music on-the-go. I would say agree that a lot of the people who buy CDs (and mp3s online from iTunes for instance) really can't hear the difference between a compressed version and the original CD version of the song. Hopefully there will be an alternative route for artists to market their 'original recordings' (so it doesn't get destroyed?) without the record company, but yet still offer smaller file sizes for fans who really just want to listen on-the-go. I try and rip my CDs to the best possible MP3 compression possible (320kbps CBR) mainly because it’s just much more practical, as I can fit more songs into my older mp3 player this way as I love listening to music on-the-go.

I would say agree that a lot of the people who buy CDs (and mp3s online from iTunes for instance) really can’t hear the difference between a compressed version and the original CD version of the song.

Hopefully there will be an alternative route for artists to market their ‘original recordings’ (so it doesn’t get destroyed?) without the record company, but yet still offer smaller file sizes for fans who really just want to listen on-the-go.

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-176035 Me Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:52:09 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-176035 Yes. I agree with you, Jessee, and we're not gonna fight about that. But you will admit that if the music industry, in order to be able to survive and make money, would convert and sale music in monophonic vynils, there would be a problem, no ? My feeling isn't the same as the kid who listens to his MP3 player on his skateboard because I make music and I can't stand that it could be modified or damaged by any compression. Yes. I agree with you, Jessee, and we’re not gonna fight about that.
But you will admit that if the music industry, in order to be able to survive and make money, would convert and sale music in monophonic vynils, there would be a problem, no ?

My feeling isn’t the same as the kid who listens to his MP3 player on his skateboard because I make music and I can’t stand that it could be modified or damaged by any compression.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175948 Jesse Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:36:22 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175948 Of course you don't know, I don't know either, but really, the entire point that I am trying to make is just that the general music buying public has no clue about frequency response. They wouldn't even know what an artifact of sound from a transcode is. They don't know the difference between a 128kps vbr mp3 and a V0 mp3. They just want the music. Yes there are audiophiles out there. Yes there are people who can tell a difference. There are people who only buy vinyl. But I digress, I just looked up the specifications of the headphones and I found out that the ipod headphones are full frequency. Of course you don’t know, I don’t know either, but really, the entire point that I am trying to make is just that the general music buying public has no clue about frequency response. They wouldn’t even know what an artifact of sound from a transcode is. They don’t know the difference between a 128kps vbr mp3 and a V0 mp3. They just want the music.

Yes there are audiophiles out there. Yes there are people who can tell a difference. There are people who only buy vinyl.

But I digress, I just looked up the specifications of the headphones and I found out that the ipod headphones are full frequency.

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175883 Me Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:22:45 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175883 I don't know, Jessee, but 10 - 20 000 Hz headphones are common and not expensive. I don’t know, Jessee, but 10 – 20 000 Hz headphones are common and not expensive.

]]> By: D3 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175439 D3 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:19:39 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175439 i don't leave the bitrate that low. i usually encode or obtian music that is 192 kbps. nor will i stray to the 320 kbps. I think some people who have posted are correct about hearing the difference and such the others should just get off their fucking horse. i don’t leave the bitrate that low. i usually encode or obtian music that is 192 kbps. nor will i stray to the 320 kbps. I think some people who have posted are correct about hearing the difference and such the others should just get off their fucking horse.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175386 Jesse Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:38:52 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175386 Yeah but you tell me how many people own headphone or speakers that have FULL SPECTRUM RESPONSE? Yeah but you tell me how many people own headphone or speakers that have FULL SPECTRUM RESPONSE?

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175378 Me Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:12:41 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175378 "The majority of the music buying public are not audiophiles." Right. "They do not own equipment that even plays all sounds that are audible to the human ear." They own a CD player, and 16 bits/44.1 KHz is Hi Fi. It is just what is needed to play with high fidelity what has been recorded, not more, not less. “The majority of the music buying public are not audiophiles.”
Right.

“They do not own equipment that even plays all sounds that are audible to the human ear.”
They own a CD player, and 16 bits/44.1 KHz is Hi Fi. It is just what is needed to play with high fidelity what has been recorded, not more, not less.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175374 Jesse Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:59:39 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175374 oops, link here... http://ofwhatitis.com/webzine/2007/10/06/some-of-your-friends-are-already-this-fucked/ oops, link here…

http://ofwhatitis.com/webzine/2007/10/06/some-of-your-friends-are-already-this-fucked/

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175373 Jesse Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:59:04 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175373 The majority of the music buying public are not audiophiles. They do not own equipment that even plays all sounds that are audible to the human ear. But I digress, the real issue here is how much money the labels make compared to what the artists make. Check out this post on my site that outlines the amount of money it takes make a record, the amount of money a record makes and the amount each party gets paid when it is all said and done. The majority of the music buying public are not audiophiles. They do not own equipment that even plays all sounds that are audible to the human ear.

But I digress, the real issue here is how much money the labels make compared to what the artists make.

Check out this post on my site that outlines the amount of money it takes make a record, the amount of money a record makes and the amount each party gets paid when it is all said and done.

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175371 Me Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:47:34 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175371 But what are you talking about ? I make music, I compose it and record it, and I know what I'm talking about. When I listen to music, the best for me is headphones. Anyone can afford headphones and just plug in directly to the CD player. I agree, most people can't hear any difference between MP3 and an original CD track, but most of them can't sing in time and in tune either. MP3 may be good for many people, but I say again that it's a destruction of the original record. The majors don't care, most of the people don't care, but I care, as a musicien. But what are you talking about ? I make music, I compose it and record it, and I know what I’m talking about.
When I listen to music, the best for me is headphones. Anyone can afford headphones and just plug in directly to the CD player.
I agree, most people can’t hear any difference between MP3 and an original CD track, but most of them can’t sing in time and in tune either.
MP3 may be good for many people, but I say again that it’s a destruction of the original record.
The majors don’t care, most of the people don’t care, but I care, as a musicien.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175344 Jesse Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:18:34 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175344 The people who buy music don't notice, most playback equipment is not high fidelity enough to make a noticeable difference. The people who buy music don’t notice, most playback equipment is not high fidelity enough to make a noticeable difference.

]]> By: z0iid http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175328 z0iid Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:56:35 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175328 320kb CBR mp3 is good enough quality. I agree, 128, and even 160kb, I can tell a difference, noticeable, but most people can't afford audio playback equipment that would benefit from anything above 320k. If you contradict me on this, you are delusional. But I predict there will be at least one delusional person responding to this post just for the sake of arguing on the internet. 320kb CBR mp3 is good enough quality. I agree, 128, and even 160kb, I can tell a difference, noticeable, but most people can’t afford audio playback equipment that would benefit from anything above 320k. If you contradict me on this, you are delusional. But I predict there will be at least one delusional person responding to this post just for the sake of arguing on the internet.

]]> By: D3 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175276 D3 Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:52:01 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175276 I can't tell the difference I can’t tell the difference

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175221 Me Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:26:11 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175221 Joe, If you're a cooker, doesn't it matter if what you cooked with care arrives cold on the table ? If you're a painter, doesn't it matter if your painting is damaged when you deliver it ? If you're a writer, doesn't it matter if your writing is hardly readable because of the bad quality of the printing ? Etc... The most important thing is not the act of creating, as you say. You have to respect the ones you created for, and your work has to be respected too. Quasimodo, Yes, a destructive compression of 30 % is heard by me and many musiciens. Some formats are very good, but destructive compression is destructive anyway. Joe,

If you’re a cooker, doesn’t it matter if what you cooked with care arrives cold on the table ?
If you’re a painter, doesn’t it matter if your painting is damaged when you deliver it ?
If you’re a writer, doesn’t it matter if your writing is hardly readable because of the bad quality of the printing ?
Etc…

The most important thing is not the act of creating, as you say. You have to respect the ones you created for, and your work has to be respected too.

Quasimodo,

Yes, a destructive compression of 30 % is heard by me and many musiciens. Some formats are very good, but destructive compression is destructive anyway.

]]> By: Me http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175217 Me Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:04:47 +0000 http://www.ghacks.net/2007/10/11/artists-are-leaving-the-sinking-ship/#comment-175217 You're right, Martin, but at 16 bits/44.1 MHz (the CD quality), a wav file takes 10 Mo per minute. This means around 40 Mo for a song, and around 500 Mo for an album. It's possible to offer such downloads, but no one does yet. The music industry cares about money and nothing else. Such a shame to see artists doing the same ! Martin, if I see you with your MP3 player, I shoot ! Last warning ! You’re right, Martin, but at 16 bits/44.1 MHz (the CD quality), a wav file takes 10 Mo per minute. This means around 40 Mo for a song, and around 500 Mo for an album. It’s possible to offer such downloads, but no one does yet.
The music industry cares about money and nothing else. Such a shame to see artists doing the same !

Martin, if I see you with your MP3 player, I shoot ! Last warning !

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